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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 9:24 pm

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I've been saying for some time to ret-con the JP3 Spino as a T. rex/Spino hybrid. Make IT the original super-hybrid so that we can see real/modern Spinos on some other island. Not to mention it would as the prototype for I. rex.

I would love this.

It opens the door for the more scientifically accurate (and far more interesting) version of the animal to make an appearance without creating a massive continuity flaw, and it actually ties into JW, thus tying the everything together quite nicely.

Not only that, but I also thought of another reason why Wu would make it. To kill off as many original animals as possible so that it would be easier to make new dinosaurs for JW. In other words, a corporate sabotage project. It wouldn't kill off every animal on Sorna, but more then enough to justify making new ones, which would also be introduced to Sorna as well.

Of course, this would only happen if either Universal got somebody with enough power/will to do this and fire Horner or, more likely, under another movie company.

I'd be all for that.

Interestingly enough, the Masrani backdoor site pretty much confirmed the JP3 Spino to be a hybrid already, so it'd tie into that as well.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but why would Horner's presence prevent them from retroactively retconning the JP3 Spino as a hybrid?


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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 9:30 pm

@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
I've been saying for some time to ret-con the JP3 Spino as a T. rex/Spino hybrid. Make IT the original super-hybrid so that we can see real/modern Spinos on some other island. Not to mention it would as the prototype for I. rex.

I would love this.

It opens the door for the more scientifically accurate (and far more interesting) version of the animal to make an appearance without creating a massive continuity flaw, and it actually ties into JW, thus tying the everything together quite nicely.

Not only that, but I also thought of another reason why Wu would make it. To kill off as many original animals as possible so that it would be easier to make new dinosaurs for JW. In other words, a corporate sabotage project. It wouldn't kill off every animal on Sorna, but more then enough to justify making new ones, which would also be introduced to Sorna as well.

Of course, this would only happen if either Universal got somebody with enough power/will to do this and fire Horner or, more likely, under another movie company.

I'd be all for that.

Interestingly enough, the Masrani backdoor sight pretty much confirmed the JP3 Spino to be a hybrid already, so it'd tie into that as well.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but why would Horner's presence prevent them from retroactively retconning the JP3 Spino as a hybrid?

Horner's anti-T. rex bias and the fact that he pushed for Spino being 'the REAL super-predator'...at least until the 2014 neotype was described.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 9:41 pm

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
I've been saying for some time to ret-con the JP3 Spino as a T. rex/Spino hybrid. Make IT the original super-hybrid so that we can see real/modern Spinos on some other island. Not to mention it would as the prototype for I. rex.

I would love this.

It opens the door for the more scientifically accurate (and far more interesting) version of the animal to make an appearance without creating a massive continuity flaw, and it actually ties into JW, thus tying the everything together quite nicely.

Not only that, but I also thought of another reason why Wu would make it. To kill off as many original animals as possible so that it would be easier to make new dinosaurs for JW. In other words, a corporate sabotage project. It wouldn't kill off every animal on Sorna, but more then enough to justify making new ones, which would also be introduced to Sorna as well.

Of course, this would only happen if either Universal got somebody with enough power/will to do this and fire Horner or, more likely, under another movie company.

I'd be all for that.

Interestingly enough, the Masrani backdoor sight pretty much confirmed the JP3 Spino to be a hybrid already, so it'd tie into that as well.

Forgive me for being ignorant, but why would Horner's presence prevent them from retroactively retconning the JP3 Spino as a hybrid?

Horner's anti-T. rex bias and the fact that he pushed for Spino being 'the REAL super-predator'...at least until the 2014 neotype was described.

One would think that if he had any integrity at all as a so called "expert" that he wouldn't simply ignore all of the evidence that's been gathered over the last handful of years (the "new" Spinosaurus, the Rex tooth found in a heeled hadrosaur wound, etc...).

Also, retconning the JP3 Spino as a Rex/Spino hybrid would also account for how the Spino was able to track the survivors as well as it did (T. rex's insanely accute sense of smell).

The list of reasons why I love this idea and why it fits perfectly within the continuity continues to grow Razz
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 9:50 pm

It's pretty clear that this discussion will end up in tears, just as it did the last time(s) it was resurrected.

As for me, 'no thanks' still, and also on the Horner front I still don't see him as the primary mustache villain, only one of the people in the executive chain that's steered it into wrong direction


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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 9:53 pm

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
I've been saying for some time to ret-con the JP3 Spino as a T. rex/Spino hybrid. Make IT the original super-hybrid so that we can see real/modern Spinos on some other island. Not to mention it would as the prototype for I. rex.

I would love this.

It opens the door for the more scientifically accurate (and far more interesting) version of the animal to make an appearance without creating a massive continuity flaw, and it actually ties into JW, thus tying the everything together quite nicely.

Not only that, but I also thought of another reason why Wu would make it. To kill off as many original animals as possible so that it would be easier to make new dinosaurs for JW. In other words, a corporate sabotage project. It wouldn't kill off every animal on Sorna, but more then enough to justify making new ones, which would also be introduced to Sorna as well.

Of course, this would only happen if either Universal got somebody with enough power/will to do this and fire Horner or, more likely, under another movie company.
Or maybe because the original ones were flipped with frog DNA and could turn female/male when they wanted to bred.  Laughing

I don't think creating a Spinosaurus would be necessary to justify the creation of new dinosaurs for JW.


Spinosaurus isn't a hybrid. It's not canon. I like to think it was just an accident by InGen when they wanted to create Baryonyx.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 10:05 pm

Canon can be altered (See Wu's explantion from JW as to why the dinosaurs aren't "scientifically accurate").

If it makes sense, as it did with the above case, then I'm all for retroactively altering the canon.

Regardless of all of this, it seems pretty obvious that Horner lets his own personal bias get in the way of the input he provides. Considering that his role is supposed to be that of an impartial adviser, I'd say it's a relatively significant conflict of interest.

Cut him loose.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 10:14 pm

@Dead2009 wrote:
"Indominus Rex, the big badass of Jurassic World, is hiding somewhere on Isla Nublar island after being defeated by the fan favourite Tyrannosaurus rex, Rexy,"

It's like whoever wrote this didn't see the ending of the last movie. Did the Mosasaurus throw up the Indominus and it just happened to gain the ability to swim and make it out of the tank?

The beginning of JW2 opens up with Indy and Mosa fighting at the bottom of the lagoon. Indy wins and walks out of the lagoon. Sorry for spoilers.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sat May 27, 2017 10:17 pm

@Troyal1 wrote:
@Dead2009 wrote:
"Indominus Rex, the big badass of Jurassic World, is hiding somewhere on Isla Nublar island after being defeated by the fan favourite Tyrannosaurus rex, Rexy,"

It's like whoever wrote this didn't see the ending of the last movie. Did the Mosasaurus throw up the Indominus and it just happened to gain the ability to swim and make it out of the tank?

The beginning of JW2 opens up with Indy and Mosa fighting at the bottom of the lagoon. Indy wins and walks out of the lagoon. Sorry for spoilers.

You forgot the part where Indy dusts his hands after the fight.


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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:14 pm

@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Canon can be altered (See Wu's explantion from JW as to why the dinosaurs aren't "scientifically accurate").

If it makes sense, as it did with the above case, then I'm all for retroactively altering the canon.

Regardless of all of this, it seems pretty obvious that Horner lets his own personal bias get in the way of the input he provides. Considering that his role is supposed to be that of an impartial adviser, I'd say it's a relatively significant conflict of interest.

Cut him loose.
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Anyway, looks like a teaser trailer is already done + footage of behind the scenes, both were show at JW2 wrap party according to some people:

https://twitter.com/chloexamanda/status/868944802095796224

I wanna know so bad what is this teaser trailer like. Must be most dialogues. You better put some powerfull pro science
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:19 pm

@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:


Anyway, looks like a teaser trailer is already done + footage of behind the scenes, both were show at JW2 wrap party according to some people:

https://twitter.com/chloexamanda/status/868944802095796224

I wanna know so bad what is this teaser trailer like. Must be most dialogues. You better put some powerfull pro science lines there too.  Twisted Evil

I wonder if this means they have a substantial amount of animatronic footage to work with, since it's too early in the production (never-mind post-production) for any huge amount of CGI to be ready for trailer purposes yet. Instead of selling the movie on CGI, selling it on animatronics would probably gain a lot of attention. It would be quite impressive of Universal to start advertising the next Jurassic film a whole twelve months before it's intended release, again like Disney did with The Force Awakens. But, based on what has seen at the licensing expo, I'm not getting hopes too high just yet.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:20 pm

@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:


Anyway, looks like a teaser trailer is already done + footage of behind the scenes, both were show at JW2 wrap party according to some people:

https://twitter.com/chloexamanda/status/868944802095796224

I wanna know so bad what is this teaser trailer like. Must be most dialogues. You better put some powerfull pro science lines there too.  Twisted Evil

I wonder if this means they have a substantial amount of animatronic footage to work with, since it's too early in the production (never-mind post-production) for any huge amount of CGI to be ready for trailer purposes yet. Instead of selling the movie on CGI, selling it on animatronics would probably gain a lot of attention. It would be quite impressive of Universal to start advertising the next Jurassic film a whole twelve months before it's intended release, again like Disney did with The Force Awakens. But, based on what has seen at the licensing expo, I'm not getting hopes too high just yet.
Must be some animatronic behind the scenes footage + some teaser dialogues from characters. Almost sure it's that.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:21 pm

Or it's just some 15 second thing where there's establishment shots and/or closeups of Pratt/BDH between fading to black, and then at the end T-Rex roars or something.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:23 pm

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Or it's just some 15 second thing where there's establishment shots and/or closeups of Pratt/BDH between fading to black, and then at the end T-Rex roars or something.
Hope it's more than that.  Mad
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:25 pm

You remember the original teasers for the first three films, each which had zero footage from the actual films =)
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:31 pm

A Brazilian website just posted a pic of an important dinosaur. Maybe the one that leaked and everyone was talking about.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:32 pm

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A Brazilian website just posted a pic of an important dinosaur. Maybe the one that leaked and everyone was talking about.
Can I tell what it is?

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:34 pm

@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:


Anyway, looks like a teaser trailer is already done + footage of behind the scenes, both were show at JW2 wrap party according to some people:

https://twitter.com/chloexamanda/status/868944802095796224

I wanna know so bad what is this teaser trailer like. Must be most dialogues. You better put some powerfull pro science lines there too.  Twisted Evil

I wonder if this means they have a substantial amount of animatronic footage to work with, since it's too early in the production (never-mind post-production) for any huge amount of CGI to be ready for trailer purposes yet. Instead of selling the movie on CGI, selling it on animatronics would probably gain a lot of attention. It would be quite impressive of Universal to start advertising the next Jurassic film a whole twelve months before it's intended release, again like Disney did with The Force Awakens. But, based on what has seen at the licensing expo, I'm not getting hopes too high just yet.

Is it possible that the trailer they saw DID have CGI, just really unfinished? I hope not tbh, because that would mean a trailer's still kinda far away... Sad

I much prefer the idea that they have enough animatronic footage. That would be so cool to see.

Or maybe there's no dinosaur footage in the first teaser... :O
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:44 pm

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Or maybe there's no dinosaur footage in the first teaser... :O

They would have to have SOME sort of dinosaur footage in the teaser. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a JP/JW trailer.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:46 pm

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
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Or maybe there's no dinosaur footage in the first teaser... :O

They would have to have SOME sort of dinosaur footage in the teaser. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a JP/JW trailer.

There's no dinosaur footage in JP or JP3 teasers.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:49 pm

@Mistral wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@TyrannoFan wrote:
Or maybe there's no dinosaur footage in the first teaser... :O

They would have to have SOME sort of dinosaur footage in the teaser. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a JP/JW trailer.

There's no dinosaur footage in JP or JP3 teasers.

That was different, as awesome as those teasers were they relied on atmosphere, voice over narration and a suggestion of the presence of dinosaurs. Modern teasers just don't work that way anymore, they have to have some kind of star profile or "money shot" to get the audience's attention and be used for promotion on websites, like the Mosasaurus consuming the shark for JW. And for JP, it was especially novel because it was Steven Spielberg tackling a dinosaur movie, a genre that was usually consigned to B-movies, so the big question at the time was "how would he pull this off?"

Edit: I'm not even sure simply reverting back to the old style of teasing movies would work today because the primary audience of the 90s and early 2000s are not the same as the ones for the 2010s. It'd be like introducing 2D animation to a child who's only ever known CGI animation growing up.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:52 pm

It was merely a response to "it wouldn't be a JP/JW trailer", when the historical context says otherwise.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:54 pm

@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
@Mistral wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@TyrannoFan wrote:
Or maybe there's no dinosaur footage in the first teaser... :O

They would have to have SOME sort of dinosaur footage in the teaser. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a JP/JW trailer.

There's no dinosaur footage in JP or JP3 teasers.

That was different, as awesome as those teasers were they relied on atmosphere, voice over narration and a suggestion of the presence of dinosaurs. Modern teasers just don't work that way anymore, they have to have some kind of star profile or "money shot" to get the audience's attention and be used for promotion on websites, like the Mosasaurus consuming the shark for JW. And for JP, it was especially novel because it was Steven Spielberg tackling a dinosaur movie, a genre that was usually consigned to B-movies, so the big question at the time was "how would he pull this off?"

Edit: I'm not even sure simply reverting back to the old style of teasing movies would work today because the primary audience of the 90s and early 2000s are not the same as the ones for the 2010s. It'd be like introducing 2D animation to a child who's only ever known CGI animation growing up.

Maybe a trailer, but I think a teaser could pull it off without the dinosaurs. Or they could use the statues in the Lockwood mansion, like in the first pic, with some dialogue in the background. That would be really cool.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 6:56 pm

@brunofernando wrote:
@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
@Mistral wrote:
@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@TyrannoFan wrote:
Or maybe there's no dinosaur footage in the first teaser... :O

They would have to have SOME sort of dinosaur footage in the teaser. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a JP/JW trailer.

There's no dinosaur footage in JP or JP3 teasers.

That was different, as awesome as those teasers were they relied on atmosphere, voice over narration and a suggestion of the presence of dinosaurs. Modern teasers just don't work that way anymore, they have to have some kind of star profile or "money shot" to get the audience's attention and be used for promotion on websites, like the Mosasaurus consuming the shark for JW. And for JP, it was especially novel because it was Steven Spielberg tackling a dinosaur movie, a genre that was usually consigned to B-movies, so the big question at the time was "how would he pull this off?"

Edit: I'm not even sure simply reverting back to the old style of teasing movies would work today because the primary audience of the 90s and early 2000s are not the same as the ones for the 2010s. It'd be like introducing 2D animation to a child who's only ever known CGI animation growing up.

Maybe a trailer, but I think a teaser could pull it off without the dinosaurs. Or they could use the statues in the Lockwood mansion, like in the first pic, with some dialogue in the background. That would be really cool.
I fully agree with that.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:02 pm

@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
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Anyway, looks like a teaser trailer is already done + footage of behind the scenes, both were show at JW2 wrap party according to some people:

https://twitter.com/chloexamanda/status/868944802095796224

I wanna know so bad what is this teaser trailer like. Must be most dialogues. You better put some powerfull pro science lines there too.  Twisted Evil

I wonder if this means they have a substantial amount of animatronic footage to work with, since it's too early in the production (never-mind post-production) for any huge amount of CGI to be ready for trailer purposes yet. Instead of selling the movie on CGI, selling it on animatronics would probably gain a lot of attention. It would be quite impressive of Universal to start advertising the next Jurassic film a whole twelve months before it's intended release, again like Disney did with The Force Awakens. But, based on what has seen at the licensing expo, I'm not getting hopes too high just yet.

Could also be using stand in CGI. Remember, when the original JW trailer leaked, and it had Raptor CGI culled from the original JP.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:44 pm

A doozy of a pic just leaked out. Its uh...wow. PM for intel.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:47 pm

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A doozy of a pic just leaked out. Its uh...wow. PM for intel.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:49 pm

If it's already of a dinosaur that existed in previous films and isn't of any real importance I wish to see that pic as well

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:51 pm

It may or may not be. We certainty dont allow pics pf it or any sort of leak on this board.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 pm

DPFAR: Regardless of if this "leak" is real or not any pics of it posted to this board will be deleted and infraction issued. We follow Universals orders.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 pm

Ahem, didn't Trevorrow Already confirm Rexy?

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 9:09 pm

Judging from Danielle Pinada's comments, there must be shots of dinos.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 9:35 pm

Well, with leaks already coming out, it would be smart of Universal to release something to draw attention from them. If we have to wait a whole six months for a trailer, I'm willing to bet there'd be a lot of people snooping around trying to get their hands on anything they could to leak to the general public.

More so I mean.

Also, if a couple of the things leaked were confirmed in a teaser/trailer, it would give fans like us the okay to discuss them without fear of repercussions, thus allowing people to really get hyped for the film.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 10:20 pm

Guys, I don't think we are going to be seeing the exact same teaser they apparently saw. Filming hasn't even finished. It was probably just for them... wasn't the teaser for JW in like November?

If we get one early I bet it just shows a bit of dialogue and the title to build hype.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 10:30 pm

^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 10:35 pm

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^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 10:40 pm

Daniella clarified that it was not a teaser but just special footage for the cast and crew. So there is no trailer floating around.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 10:49 pm

@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

Yeah, the general public has ignorant thoughts about CGI in general. I frequently see people genuinely feel that JW's final CGI was trash. Like, even the Indominus? I don't know, some people are just impossible to please... I think no matter what they do with the trailer for JW2, there's going to be someone, somewhere complaining about something.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 11:00 pm

@TyrannoFan wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

Yeah, the general public has ignorant thoughts about CGI in general. I frequently see people genuinely feel that JW's final CGI was trash. Like, even the Indominus? I don't know, some people are just impossible to please... I think no matter what they do with the trailer for JW2, there's going to be someone, somewhere complaining about something.

I still think that the CGI for Jurassic World was better then what people give it credit for. That being said, I also believe that there was too much of it and in some places, it needed to be much better.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Sun May 28, 2017 11:04 pm

@TyrannoFan wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

Yeah, the general public has ignorant thoughts about CGI in general. I frequently see people genuinely feel that JW's final CGI was trash. Like, even the Indominus? I don't know, some people are just impossible to please... I think no matter what they do with the trailer for JW2, there's going to be someone, somewhere complaining about something.
I know right:roll: . I can already imagine the complaints in the you tube comments. Its like these people have never seen those tv movies on the sci fyi channel, now that is bad cgi.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Mon May 29, 2017 12:26 am

You know, sometimes people also have to consider, "have I really seen 100% convincing CGI?" I'd say no, except for Shin Godzilla. (Seriously go look at how incredible it is)
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Mon May 29, 2017 7:42 am

@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

It was just as bad in the final product.

The only thing I liked was when the raptor heads were on those small cages and Hoskins and that friend of Owen were discussing next to them, that looked really good. Also possibly that very brief event when I-Rex was following the kids before they jumped off in the water, that looked like something that might've been from the other films. Everything else was terrible and fake looking. Same basic color palette on every dinosaur didn't help either.

Even though the (scale-of-yet-unknown) animatronics for JP5 are big relief, my fear is that if the CGI is as unconvincing as it was in JW, the separation between the two techniques will be plain as daylight.

Not that CGI in JP3 was great either, a clear downspiral from 1997 and some of it went even to direct-to-video level, but there wasn't comparatively that much of it.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Mon May 29, 2017 8:18 am

@TyrannoFan wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

Yeah, the general public has ignorant thoughts about CGI in general. I frequently see people genuinely feel that JW's final CGI was trash. Like, even the Indominus? I don't know, some people are just impossible to please... I think no matter what they do with the trailer for JW2, there's going to be someone, somewhere complaining about something.

It's because it's "cool" to hate CGI, even if it's good. 

Before everyone knows it's CGI: "OMG those effects are amazing! Is it an animatronic?"

After people get to know it's CGI: "Oh this doesn't look real it's obviously fake CGI."
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Mon May 29, 2017 1:06 pm

@Mistral wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

It was just as bad in the final product.

The only thing I liked was when the raptor heads were on those small cages and Hoskins and that friend of Owen were discussing next to them, that looked really good. Also possibly that very brief event when I-Rex was following the kids before they jumped off in the water, that looked like something that might've been from the other films. Everything else was terrible and fake looking. Same basic color palette on every dinosaur didn't help either.

Even though the (scale-of-yet-unknown) animatronics for JP5 are big relief, my fear is that if the CGI is as unconvincing as it was in JW, the separation between the two techniques will be plain as daylight.

Not that CGI in JP3 was great either, a clear downspiral from 1997 and some of it went even to direct-to-video level, but there wasn't comparatively that much of it.

Hate feedback incoming!
Saying that the cgi was unconvincing in jw is fair, but calling it terrible is an exaggeration in my opinion. When i think of bad cgi i think of a sci fyi original movie and jw is not nearly as bad as that.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Mon May 29, 2017 1:39 pm

@Herrerasaurus wrote:
@Mistral wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
@Océane wrote:
^Better than nothing.
And to add on to the conversation about no dino footage in the teaser, we all know what happened when unfinished CGI made it into the Jurassic World Trailer. Everyone lost their sh*t because they thought it was the final product.

That's true lol. The general public had some ignorant thoughts about it, not realizing it was a completely unfinished product. And of course the leaked trailer with PS2 CGI didn't help either lol.

It was just as bad in the final product.

The only thing I liked was when the raptor heads were on those small cages and Hoskins and that friend of Owen were discussing next to them, that looked really good. Also possibly that very brief event when I-Rex was following the kids before they jumped off in the water, that looked like something that might've been from the other films. Everything else was terrible and fake looking. Same basic color palette on every dinosaur didn't help either.

Even though the (scale-of-yet-unknown) animatronics for JP5 are big relief, my fear is that if the CGI is as unconvincing as it was in JW, the separation between the two techniques will be plain as daylight.

Not that CGI in JP3 was great either, a clear downspiral from 1997 and some of it went even to direct-to-video level, but there wasn't comparatively that much of it.

Hate feedback incoming!
Saying that the cgi was unconvincing in jw is fair, but calling it terrible is an exaggeration in my opinion. When i think of bad cgi i think of a sci fyi original movie and jw is not nearly as bad as that.

Comparatively terrible. Of course it's not SyFy movie terrible, in comparison to that it's 'great'. But terrible for what it's meant to be, and for the budget / time-of-the-production ratio, and for the historical context. It's like a bad video game to me.

For 1993, JP CGI is outstanding. For 2017, JP CGI is still pretty good.
For 2015, JW CGI is nothing special. For 2017, JW CGI is bland.



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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.2   Mon May 29, 2017 1:42 pm

Ugh...

Hey, how about that Jurassic World 2?
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