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PostSubject: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:33 am

The name says it all. Here's my list.

1. The JP3 Spinosaurus getting ret-conned as a Spinosaurus/T. rex hybrid. Doing this would do the following.

A. Explain why it looks so different from the 'modern' Spinosaurus. Unlike all the other JP animals which maintain the basic shape of their real life counterparts, the JP3 Spinosaurus looks too different from the modern/new version.

B. Interconnect the trilogies better. While JW:FK is supposed to ensure that the first 2 sequels are still hard canon, a lot of people still think that it's not the case, or at least being up in the air. By making the JP3 Spino that original super-hybrid, it can be what inspiried Wu/Hoskins to make I. rex and Indoraptor.

C. Explain that one fight. Given how the Moroccan neotype showed that the largest animals Spinosaurus could attack were medium sized dinosaurs (20-30 ft long and 2-3 tons) due to it's being so adapted to aquatic life, ret-conning the JP3 Spino as a T. rex/Spino hybrid would solve a lot of this infighting.

D. It would allow modern Spinos. Let's face it. Even without the one fight, the JP3 Spino was still shoved down the throats of the fans and the GA to the point where it wasn't liked by the majority. This ret-con would allow the real Spinos to finally be in the movie.

Here's how I'd do it. I'd have it where the JP3 Spino was made as T. rex/Spino hybrid as the alpha male of the Spinosaurus herd. It was starting to be wiped out by the T. rex population but since it (JP3 Spino) was introduced, it has been recovering. Have a female scientist make it and when Wu finds out, he keeps it to himself and gets the idea for I. rex.


2. The JP3 Raptors. I like the design, but we never got an explanation for why they looked so different. Explain them away as a new batch that was made in case the old ones couldn't live as well.

3. What happened to Lex and Tim after Hammond died. We still don't know what happened after TLW.

4. How much the Bull T. rex's rampage in San Diego cost Ingen. That alone must have cost Ingen hundreds of millions, if not a billion in damages. But we don't know how much.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:43 pm

I'm with you on the JP3 Spino being ret-conned as a Rex/Spino hybrid. It explains why that version was so drastically different from its real life counterpart, and opens the door for a more scientifically accurate version to make an appearance.

I would also like to see the whole "T. rex vision is based on movement" idea ret-conned/explained. It seems to be pretty much ret-conned anyways, but an explanation would be nice.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:03 pm

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I'm with you on the JP3 Spino being ret-conned as a Rex/Spino hybrid. It explains why that version was so drastically different from its real life counterpart, and opens the door for a more scientifically accurate version to make an appearance.

I would also like to see the whole "T. rex vision is based on movement" idea ret-conned/explained. It seems to be pretty much ret-conned anyways, but an explanation would be nice.

Back in JPL, Dilly said that it already was in JP3, although one could argue that TLW did so to a lesser degree. I'd have that explained as Rexy having a temporary eye disorder or something as a result of her growing so big, so fast.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:59 pm

My headcanon is that the T. rex vision thing was a common scientific viewpoint in the Jurassic Park universe, and hopefully eventually faded out of favour. The fact that Rexy indeed had frog-like vision was just a convenient coincidence.

The everybody dying on the ship part of TLW needs to be explained. I still don't understand how that happened. If it was raptors, where'd they go? If it was the T. rex.... I can't see how that would work.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:10 pm

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@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
I'm with you on the JP3 Spino being ret-conned as a Rex/Spino hybrid. It explains why that version was so drastically different from its real life counterpart, and opens the door for a more scientifically accurate version to make an appearance.

I would also like to see the whole "T. rex vision is based on movement" idea ret-conned/explained. It seems to be pretty much ret-conned anyways, but an explanation would be nice.

Back in JPL, Dilly said that it already was in JP3, although one could argue that TLW did so to a lesser degree. I'd have that explained as Rexy having a temporary eye disorder or something as a result of her growing so big, so fast.
And I always argued against the idea of it being retconned. Razz


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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:08 pm

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The everybody dying on the ship part of TLW needs to be explained. I still don't understand how that happened. If it was raptors, where'd they go? If it was the T. rex.... I can't see how that would work.

Either Spielberg or Koepp said that it was the Bull T. rex in an interview sometime after TLW came out. That being said, I do wish that it was explained better.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:52 pm

It was in an interview with Koepp, who said it was and always had been the Raptors. Personally, I blame the ending to PC version of the TLW game for starting that rumor, because of the Raptors spotted near the Isla Sorna dock where the SS Venture is.


Things I want explained:
-A blatant confirmation of version numbers.
-A blatant statement that the JP Raptors are genetically modified Deinonychus, not Velociraptor mongoliensis.
-Why Masrani chose Isla Nublar of all places to build Jurassic World.
-What Masrani meant by Hammond entrusting him with his dying wish.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:06 pm

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It was in an interview with Koepp, who said it was and always had been the Raptors. Personally, I blame the ending to PC version of the TLW game for starting that rumor, because of the Raptors spotted near the Isla Sorna dock where the SS Venture is.


Things I want explained:
-A blatant confirmation of version numbers.
-A blatant statement that the JP Raptors are genetically modified Deinonychus, not Velociraptor mongoliensis.
-Why Masrani chose Isla Nublar of all places to build Jurassic World.
-What Masrani meant by Hammond entrusting him with his dying wish.

I remember Ty saying that it was the Bull T. rex.

I'd rather see the JP raptors ret-conned as Dakotaraptors. After all, the holotype came from the Hell Creek formation, the same that so many T. rex fossils have been found. Not only that, but having the one skeleton being found in Montana, and it would be perfect.

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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:12 pm

Oh, sorry, I slipped. Meant to type out Rex.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:46 pm

I want them to announce officially which Raptors died at which point in Jurassic World. I'm convinced Delta got thrown into the fire, Charlie got blown up and Echo got chomped, but I haven't seen an official statement. Everyone seems to argue about it, so it'd be cool if it was cleared up.

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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:06 pm

Delta got chomped, Charlie got blown up, and aEcho got the fire.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:10 pm

One thing I've always wanted explained was prior to the events of the first film, Why did the costa rican government not get suspicious over Hammond wanting two islands, not just one. We find out Hammond actually has two islands and Site B is where he's actually manufacturing the dinosaurs there and then moving them over to the other island.

Why was no suspicion ever raised about what Hammond was doing. they never questioned him over You've told us your setting up a resort so why do you need two islands?
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:33 pm

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One thing I've always wanted explained was prior to the events of the first film, Why did the costa rican government not get suspicious over Hammond wanting two islands, not just one. We find out Hammond actually has two islands and Site B is where he's actually manufacturing the dinosaurs there and then moving them over to the other island.

Why was no suspicion ever raised about what Hammond was doing. they never questioned him over You've told us your setting up a resort so why do you need two islands?

That is a little odd. Unlike so many Central American/South American countries, Costa Rica has been a pretty stable country when it comes to politics. It's no 3rd world banana republic. Perhaps Costa Rica just didn't see the need for having any of those islands.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:35 pm

One thing I want explained is that raptors were on that boat in TLW.

Maybe this a massive, Massive stretch. But I think it would be cool to learn if they got found in the cleanup effort and were sent back to Sorna. I have no idea how they would explain this and it would probably feel forced in conversation.

Maybe they could refer to the San Diego incident as a "raptors and Rex attack " and when Owen asks about raptors they explain to him raptors were also involved. IDK it's bugged me since a kid.

I also want absolute confirmation. Are there Dilos still alive on Nublar or not?
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:47 pm

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One thing I want explained is that raptors were on that boat in TLW.

Maybe this a massive, Massive stretch. But I think it would be cool to learn if they got found in the cleanup effort and were sent back to Sorna. I have no idea how they would explain this and it would probably feel forced in conversation.

Maybe they could refer to the San Diego incident as a "raptors and Rex attack " and when Owen asks about raptors they explain to him raptors were also involved. IDK it's bugged me since a kid.

I also want absolute confirmation. Are there Dilos still alive on Nublar or not?

Actually, Spielberg and Koepp both confirmed that it was the Bull T. rex that did them all in. Adding raptors would simply be too much of a stretch. As for Dilos. As far as we know, that one Dilo that whacked Nedry was the only one. But it most likely died off since other then the Gallimimus, their was little else for it to catch and eat. That Rexy may have eaten it as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:02 am

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@FoxHound4690 wrote:
One thing I've always wanted explained was prior to the events of the first film, Why did the costa rican government not get suspicious over Hammond wanting two islands, not just one. We find out Hammond actually has two islands and Site B is where he's actually manufacturing the dinosaurs there and then moving them over to the other island.

Why was no suspicion ever raised about what Hammond was doing. they never questioned him over You've told us your setting up a resort so why do you need two islands?

That is a little odd. Unlike so many Central American/South American countries, Costa Rica has been a pretty stable country when it comes to politics. It's no 3rd world banana republic. Perhaps Costa Rica just didn't see the need for having any of those islands.

Yeah I live in Australia so I really don't know anything whatsoever about Costa Rica. but I think Hammond has probably somehow completely pulled the wall over the governments eyes at some point. He might not have even told the government about him wanting two islands he was just a sneak and had his operation setup on site B without them ever knowing. he obviously saw that one island wasn't enough and realised he needed two but he knew the government would get suspicious if he suddenly comes out and says sorry guys i actually need two islands not just one.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:07 am

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I want them to announce officially which Raptors died at which point in Jurassic World. I'm convinced Delta got thrown into the fire, Charlie got blown up and Echo got chomped, but I haven't seen an official statement. Everyone seems to argue about it, so it'd be cool if it was cleared up.


From what I can see, all the raptors die except for Blue. one gets blown up from the military's rocket attack, one gets knocked into a kitchen where an oven explodes or something which kills it, and at the end of the film after the Indominous gets eaten by the giant fish Blue is the only one left standing there and goes running off. so im pretty certain Blue is the only surviving raptor.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:58 am

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@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@FoxHound4690 wrote:
One thing I've always wanted explained was prior to the events of the first film, Why did the costa rican government not get suspicious over Hammond wanting two islands, not just one. We find out Hammond actually has two islands and Site B is where he's actually manufacturing the dinosaurs there and then moving them over to the other island.

Why was no suspicion ever raised about what Hammond was doing. they never questioned him over You've told us your setting up a resort so why do you need two islands?

That is a little odd. Unlike so many Central American/South American countries, Costa Rica has been a pretty stable country when it comes to politics. It's no 3rd world banana republic. Perhaps Costa Rica just didn't see the need for having any of those islands.

Yeah I live in Australia so I really don't know anything whatsoever about Costa Rica. but I think Hammond has probably somehow completely pulled the wall over the governments eyes at some point. He might not have even told the government about him wanting two islands he was just a sneak and had his operation setup on site B without them ever knowing. he obviously saw that one island wasn't enough and realised he needed two but he knew the government would get suspicious if he suddenly comes out and says sorry guys i actually need two islands not just one.


Except, as I said, the Costa Rican government has always been far more stable so I don't think Hammond could get away with pulling a con. Besides, it would go against his personality in the first two movies.


@FoxHound4690 wrote:
From what I can see, all the raptors die except for Blue. one gets blown up from the military's rocket attack, one gets knocked into a kitchen where an oven explodes or something which kills it, and at the end of the film after the Indominous gets eaten by the giant fish Blue is the only one left standing there and goes running off. so im pretty certain Blue is the only surviving raptor.

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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:35 pm

In the book, Isla Sornq was the property of a German mining company. It's possible that plot carried over into the films and wasn't brought up
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:31 am

1. I think SS Venture crew dying is actually explained, however guy in the steering wheel room is still one plothole away from being explained fully
2. Explain the JP3 plotholes:
- where did the Spinosaur come from?
- why raptors are different?
- Pteranodons - different than in TLW and locked
- what killed the boatcrew at the beginning? I assume Pteranodons, but explanation would be nice
3. Lots of backstory from Jurassic World was simply put on the viral website. I want to see some real inter-movie connections briefed in the films. Hoskins capturing JP3 pterosaurs? Sure, why not - but say that in the effin' movie.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:02 am

What exactly happened to the Brachiosaurus population on Nublar.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:48 pm

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What exactly happened to the Brachiosaurus population on Nublar.

Hopefully, the second movie should answer if they're still on Nublar or not. Not a perfect answer, but at least it will be a step in the right direction.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:32 am

How Hoskins and his men re-captured Rexy and how they handled the escape of the 3 fugitive Pteranodon from Sorna.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:56 am

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How Hoskins and his men re-captured Rexy and how they handled the escape of the 3 fugitive Pteranodon from Sorna.

I want a prequel solely based on how inGen recaptured all the dinosaurs and rebuilt the park, no matter how unnecessary it is. Would be so cool..
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:10 pm

I think a novel explaining all of those things would be nice. I don't think they will explore these subjects in the movies at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:27 am

The one big thing that i would like ret-conned is to replace sorna to a different island in jp3. I love how sorna and the dinos looked in the lost world and everything seemed so different in jp 3. So a quick fix is to just make it another island.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:32 pm

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The one big thing that i would like ret-conned is to replace sorna to a different island in jp3. I love how sorna and the dinos looked in the lost world and everything seemed so different in jp 3. So a quick fix is to just make it another island.

I'm not against it, but the word Sorna was mentioned quite a few times, so just ret-conning it to be another island would not be that easy.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:43 pm

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The one big thing that i would like ret-conned is to replace sorna to a different island in jp3. I love how sorna and the dinos looked in the lost world and everything seemed so different in jp 3. So a quick fix is to just make it another island.

I'm not against it, but the word Sorna was mentioned quite a few times, so just ret-conning it to be another island would not be that easy.
yea it wouldn't make sense but its just a little thing that i wished was changed. They just feel like two different islands in the lost world and jp3. Atleast nublar seems consistent in jw
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:06 pm

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The one big thing that i would like ret-conned is to replace sorna to a different island in jp3. I love how sorna and the dinos looked in the lost world and everything seemed so different in jp 3. So a quick fix is to just make it another island.

I'm not against it, but the word Sorna was mentioned quite a few times, so just ret-conning it to be another island would not be that easy.
yea it wouldn't make sense but its just a little thing that i wished was changed. They just feel like two different islands in the lost world and jp3. Atleast nublar seems consistent in jw

I think the differences in some of the dinosaurs could be explained away through different types of breeding, including some minor hybridization. It wouldn't shock me at all if Ingen were experimenting with giving some of the dinosaurs different color schemes and whatnot in trying to look for the most marketable designs. And it would make sense that the dinosaurs (including the raptors) of the same design/color scheme branched off into different groups on Sorna.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:21 pm

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@Rhedosaurus wrote:
@Herrerasaurus wrote:
The one big thing that i would like ret-conned is to replace sorna to a different island in jp3. I love how sorna and the dinos looked in the lost world and everything seemed so different in jp 3. So a quick fix is to just make it another island.

I'm not against it, but the word Sorna was mentioned quite a few times, so just ret-conning it to be another island would not be that easy.
yea it wouldn't make sense but its just a little thing that i wished was changed. They just feel like two different islands in the lost world and jp3. Atleast nublar seems consistent in jw

I think the differences in some of the dinosaurs could be explained away through different types of breeding, including some minor hybridization. It wouldn't shock me at all if Ingen were experimenting with giving some of the dinosaurs different color schemes and whatnot in trying to look for the most marketable designs. And it would make sense that the dinosaurs (including the raptors) of the same design/color scheme branched off into different groups on Sorna.

On of the guys who managed that practical effects said that the JP3 raptors were evolved versions, but nobody knows if that's truly canon or not. I'd love for them to be explained as a new version, myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:32 pm

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On of the guys who managed that practical effects said that the JP3 raptors were evolved versions, but nobody knows if that's truly canon or not. I'd love for them to be explained as a new version, myself.

Eh. If the guy that said that is saying that the raptors evolved to look drastically different in just 4 years, then that's pretty dumb imho.

I can buy it a little more if he's saying that they bred a more evolved version and held off on shipping them to Nublar.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:46 pm

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@Rhedosaurus wrote:

On of the guys who managed that practical effects said that the JP3 raptors were evolved versions, but nobody knows if that's truly canon or not. I'd love for them to be explained as a new version, myself.

Eh. If the guy that said that is saying that the raptors evolved to look drastically different in just 4 years, then that's pretty dumb imho.

I can buy it a little more if he's saying that they bred a more evolved version and held off on shipping them to Nublar.

I'd like to see how a JP3 Sorna raptor looks nowadays. I really liked their designs and how you can tell apart the males from the females. Maybe make the males semi-feathered and have the females with some down on their backs and arms.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:49 pm

Officially say that Raptors killed the crew on the SS Venture, the T. rex woke up upon smelling them, chased them off the boat where they drowned.

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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:10 pm

I know that is going to slightly stretch the point of this post, but it's something that should be explained further. I'd like to see more differences between male/bull Triceratops and those of females. I know that male Trikes have white stripes, but that's not much for me. I'd like to see the male be larger then the females and have larger horns and frill as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:06 am

I want to know what the heck happened to the crew of the SS Venture. We have two movies in this franchise in which a boat crew gets annihilated with no clear explanation of how. Someone explain this! D:
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:02 am

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I want to know what the heck happened to the crew of the SS Venture. We have two movies in this franchise in which a boat crew gets annihilated with no clear explanation of how. Someone explain this! D:
my head canon for the lost world is that pteranodons paid the crew a visit and went back to the island. As for the jp3, i was always under the impression that the spino took a dip and attacked the boat
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PostSubject: Re: Things in the Jurassic Park movie franchise you'd like to see ret-conned/explained.   Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:47 pm

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@TheRexMan22 wrote:
I want to know what the heck happened to the crew of the SS Venture. We have two movies in this franchise in which a boat crew gets annihilated with no clear explanation of how. Someone explain this! D:
my head canon for the lost world is that pteranodons paid the crew a visit and went back to the island. As for the jp3, i was always under the impression that the spino took a dip and attacked the boat

The official explanation is that the Bull T. rex killed the crew. As for JP3, their really is no explanation, but most do blame that on one the JP3 Spino, which makes sense considering how it was portrayed as semi-aquatic, and is the only thing about it that still holds up.
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