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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:08 pm

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It looks like this summer was even worse for Hollywood then we thought.

This looks to be the first summer since 2006 that the summer box office made less then $4 billion dollars. It also took a 16% drop from last year.

It wasn't for Guardian Of The Galaxy Vol. 2, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man: Homecoming, then this summer would REALLY be ugly. So far, it looks like Avengers: Infinity War and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom/JP5 are the two movies that will carry next summer.

It's also the first time since summer 2009 that there has not(yet) been a billion dollar summer movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/6mk08r/2017_is_the_first_summer_without_a_billion_dollar/

These days studios are realizing that a movie has the potential to be a billion dollar hit if it's placed in the Spring or Winter months, as we've seen from Beauty and the Beast, Zootopia, CA: Civil War, Fate of the Furious and the last two Star Wars movies. I'm certain that if Batman v Superman didn't have all those that it had problems and wasn't as widely disliked as it was (and the only version we ever saw was the ultimate edition) it would have made it to $1 billion no problem. The last summer release to hit a $1 billion globally was Finding Dory in 2016.

Or they can just MAKE BETTER MOVIES! Look, I get that superhero movies and Star Wars are the rage now. But if you make a good movie and have a good marketing campaign, it will succeed. There's a market for non-superhero movies too. Jurassic World proved that. You can even throw in the 2014 version of Godzilla and Kong: Skull Island. (Granted that was a spring movie, but I'm adding it since it fits with the non-superhero movies the succeeded.)

I agree there. My original point is that the summer is not the only month where a movie could becoming the highest grossing of the year. That's why there are a lot of major releases in those months and summer is becoming depopulated and filled with mediocre or crap films with the occasional surprise.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:42 pm

Agreed, look at Planet of the Apes. Reeves did a fantastic job with all three films.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:17 pm

https://twitter.com/AdamWingard/status/902660431059156992

Apparently Adam Wingard got 'positive' reaction from Netflix with Death Note...

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:18 pm

'The Crow' reboot somehow got to Sony Pictures.

At this point, between to soon-to-be-made Metal Gear Solid movie and this, Sony is flailing for anything that can work. Other then Spider-Man, they don't have much, and James Bond is MGM's property with Sony merely distributing it.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:43 pm

Speaking of the MGS movie...
https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/status/903808663982362626

Vogt is now going after Honest trailers after his previous body slam of cinema sins.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:40 am

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It looks like this summer was even worse for Hollywood then we thought.

This looks to be the first summer since 2006 that the summer box office made less then $4 billion dollars. It also took a 16% drop from last year.

It wasn't for Guardian Of The Galaxy Vol. 2, Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man: Homecoming, then this summer would REALLY be ugly. So far, it looks like Avengers: Infinity War and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom/JP5 are the two movies that will carry next summer.

It's also the first time since summer 2009 that there has not(yet) been a billion dollar summer movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/6mk08r/2017_is_the_first_summer_without_a_billion_dollar/

These days studios are realizing that a movie has the potential to be a billion dollar hit if it's placed in the Spring or Winter months, as we've seen from Beauty and the Beast, Zootopia, CA: Civil War, Fate of the Furious and the last two Star Wars movies. I'm certain that if Batman v Superman didn't have all those that it had problems and wasn't as widely disliked as it was (and the only version we ever saw was the ultimate edition) it would have made it to $1 billion no problem. The last summer release to hit a $1 billion globally was Finding Dory in 2016.

Or they can just MAKE BETTER MOVIES! Look, I get that superhero movies and Star Wars are the rage now. But if you make a good movie and have a good marketing campaign, it will succeed. There's a market for non-superhero movies too. Jurassic World proved that. You can even throw in the 2014 version of Godzilla and Kong: Skull Island. (Granted that was a spring movie, but I'm adding it since it fits with the non-superhero movies the succeeded.)

I agree there. My original point is that the summer is not the only month where a movie could becoming the highest grossing of the year. That's why there are a lot of major releases in those months and summer is becoming depopulated and filled with mediocre or crap films with the occasional surprise.

The positive to this is that we now actually have things to watch throughout the year atleast. Instead of sitting around waiting for next summer.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:45 am

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Speaking of the MGS movie...
https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/status/903808663982362626

Vogt is now going after Honest trailers after his previous body slam of cinema sins.

If he actually goes all out and gets triggered over this I'm going to lose what little respect I have for the guy, if any.

I mean I halfway understood the cinema sins thing because some of its straight up inaccurate. But honestly the fact he went on a Twitter rampage shows a lot of his insecurities IMO.  And if he does it with honest trailers I don't understand how he got in the business to begin with.

Isn't part of being a film maker atleast listening to criticism and having a sense of humor about the whole thing even if it's wrong? Sheesh.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:49 pm

Troyal1 wrote:
Sickle_Claw wrote:
Speaking of the MGS movie...
https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/status/903808663982362626

Vogt is now going after Honest trailers after his previous body slam of cinema sins.

If he actually goes all out and gets triggered over this I'm going to lose what little respect I have for the guy, if any.

I mean I halfway understood the cinema sins thing because some of its straight up inaccurate. But honestly the fact he went on a Twitter rampage shows a lot of his insecurities IMO.  And if he does it with honest trailers I don't understand how he got in the business to begin with.

Isn't part of being a film maker atleast listening to criticism and having a sense of humor about the whole thing even if it's wrong? Sheesh.

Between Sony getting the rights to make the MGS movie, Avi Arad being the producer of it, and Tom Rothman still heading Sony Pictures, not to mention that most Metal Gear games have TONS of moving parts, I never had any hope in this movie. But with this director being so thin-skinned, I can't help but wonder if this will be the Fant4stic of video game movies. And as a Metal Gear fan, that's the last thing I want.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:07 pm

According to The Wrap, this years box office attendance will be the lowest since 1992.

Worse, this Labor Day weekend might be the worst since 1999.

Just imagine how bad it would be if Disney wasn't the juggernaut it currently is.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:00 pm

Hollywood Calls a Wrap on $3.8 Billion Summer, Worst Since 2006

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The credits have rolled on Hollywood’s worst summer in a decade, closing out with a dismal Labor Day weekend that was the first in a generation without a big, new movie opening in wide release.

The summer drew a little more than $3.8 billion in sales, the first time the season’s tally has dipped below the $4 billion mark since 2006, according to Paul Dergarabedian, senior media analyst at researcher ComScore Inc. The holiday weekend generated about $99.5 million in U.S. and Canadian theaters from Friday through Monday, the least since 1998, according to Comscore data.

Honestly I enjoyed a lot of movies this year but I view this as a good thing. Studios have to learn some way that certain franchises just can't hold their own anymore and got stale.

And yes Rhed, Disney really held them up. I still think certain movies deserved to do better than they actually did.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-04/hollywood-calls-a-wrap-on-3-8-billion-summer-worst-since-2006

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6y2s34/hollywood_calls_a_wrap_on_38_billion_summer_worst/
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:16 pm

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Hollywood Calls a Wrap on $3.8 Billion Summer, Worst Since 2006

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The credits have rolled on Hollywood’s worst summer in a decade, closing out with a dismal Labor Day weekend that was the first in a generation without a big, new movie opening in wide release.

The summer drew a little more than $3.8 billion in sales, the first time the season’s tally has dipped below the $4 billion mark since 2006, according to Paul Dergarabedian, senior media analyst at researcher ComScore Inc. The holiday weekend generated about $99.5 million in U.S. and Canadian theaters from Friday through Monday, the least since 1998, according to Comscore data.

Honestly I enjoyed a lot of movies this year but I view this as a good thing. Studios have to learn some way that certain franchises just can't hold their own anymore and got stale.

And yes Rhed, Disney really held them up. I still think certain movies deserved to do better than they actually did.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-04/hollywood-calls-a-wrap-on-3-8-billion-summer-worst-since-2006

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6y2s34/hollywood_calls_a_wrap_on_38_billion_summer_worst/

Hopefully Fox and WB can rebound next year. We already know that Disney will dominate the year, with both Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War doing very well, the latter alone will make at least $2 billion by many predictions. And Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom will make enough for Universal to be very happy. Sony and Paramount on the other hand...they're screwed.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:37 am

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:48 pm

Rhedosaurus wrote:
Troyal1 wrote:
Sickle_Claw wrote:
Speaking of the MGS movie...
https://twitter.com/VogtRoberts/status/903808663982362626

Vogt is now going after Honest trailers after his previous body slam of cinema sins.

If he actually goes all out and gets triggered over this I'm going to lose what little respect I have for the guy, if any.

I mean I halfway understood the cinema sins thing because some of its straight up inaccurate. But honestly the fact he went on a Twitter rampage shows a lot of his insecurities IMO.  And if he does it with honest trailers I don't understand how he got in the business to begin with.

Isn't part of being a film maker atleast listening to criticism and having a sense of humor about the whole thing even if it's wrong? Sheesh.

Between Sony getting the rights to make the MGS movie, Avi Arad being the producer of it, and Tom Rothman still heading Sony Pictures, not to mention that most Metal Gear games have TONS of moving parts, I never had any hope in this movie. But with this director being so thin-skinned, I can't help but wonder if this will be the Fant4stic of video game movies. And as a Metal Gear fan, that's the last thing I want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saTFPCuQfvw&feature=youtu.be

Vogt took it pretty well, since he worked with Honest Trailers to cameo in the skull island one.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:26 pm

I saw the new 'IT' movie. I was pretty impressed as someone who didn't have a strong interest in the movie to start with.

There were quite a few good scenes NOT in the trailers that really surprised me. Which is pretty damn rare in this day and age.

Personally some of the CGI was a bit off putting in certain scenes. It was like it was obviously intentional to look weird or cartoonish, but it didn't always work for me.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:40 pm

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I saw the new 'IT' movie. I was pretty impressed as someone who didn't have a strong interest in the movie to start with.

There were quite a few good scenes NOT in the trailers that really surprised me. Which is pretty damn rare in this day and age.

Personally some of the CGI was a bit off putting in certain scenes. It was like it was obviously intentional to look weird or cartoonish, but it didn't always work for me.

Nice, I am going to see it on tuesday or maybe sunday because my sister wants to see it as well.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:26 pm

It looks like J-Law may have damaged her chances of her new movie doing well.

She basically implied that America deserves the hurricanes for voting in Trump as president.

When are movie studios going to consider issuing gag orders or something via actors/actresses talking politics? Crap like this is part of the reason why people don't see movies as much.

Not only that, but it's part of the reason why Trump got elected in the first place. Watch this video from 1:38 on.



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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:40 pm

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It looks like J-Law may have damaged her chances of her her movie doing well.

She basically implied that America deserves the hurricanes for voting in Trump as president.

When are movie studios going to consider issuing gag orders or something via actors/actresses talking politics? Crap like this is part of the reason why people don't see movies as much.

Not only that, but it's part of the reason why Trump got elected in the first place. Watch this video from 1:38 on.




I dont understand this mindset of thinking, basically saying that people deserve to die. And then people defending that saying "its just a joke" okay so she made a joke that people deserved to die.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:36 pm

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It looks like J-Law may have damaged her chances of her her movie doing well.

She basically implied that America deserves the hurricanes for voting in Trump as president.

When are movie studios going to consider issuing gag orders or something via actors/actresses talking politics? Crap like this is part of the reason why people don't see movies as much.

Not only that, but it's part of the reason why Trump got elected in the first place. Watch this video from 1:38 on.




I dont understand this mindset of thinking, basically saying that people deserve to die. And then people defending that saying "its just a joke" okay so she made a joke that people deserved to die.

And I don't understand how she thinks this will help her chances of her new movie doing well. The whole 'no such thing as bad publicity' mindset was destroyed with the smear campaign that was part of GB2016 and to a lesser degree, Josh Trank's offstage antics while making Fant4stic. You could even argue it was dead before that via Twitter and Facebook. Hasn't ANYBODY told her to shut up about politics by now?
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:24 pm

'It' is absolutely destroying at the box office. Biggest opening day for an R rated film! It'll clear 100 million by Sunday IMO.

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'It' grosses $51M on Friday. That is the biggest opening day ever for an R-rated film, it has already passed the biggest September opening weekend record in just one day, and it's only $1.5M away from the biggest horror opening weekend ever (Paranormal Activity 3 - $52.5M)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/weekend-box-office-it-movie-scares-up-record-thursday-night-1036714


Please let this be a sign to Hollywood that good remakes are fine.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:55 pm

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'It' is absolutely destroying at the box office. Biggest opening day for an R rated film! It'll clear 100 million by Sunday IMO.

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'It' grosses $51M on Friday. That is the biggest opening day ever for an R-rated film, it has already passed the biggest September opening weekend record in just one day, and it's only $1.5M away from the biggest horror opening weekend ever (Paranormal Activity 3 - $52.5M)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/weekend-box-office-it-movie-scares-up-record-thursday-night-1036714


Please let this be a sign to Hollywood that good remakes are fine.

I just came out of IT...It was amazing and incredible. If the box office keeps up, this will ABSOLUTELY get a the amazing sequel it deserves.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:47 pm

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'It' is absolutely destroying at the box office. Biggest opening day for an R rated film! It'll clear 100 million by Sunday IMO.

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'It' grosses $51M on Friday. That is the biggest opening day ever for an R-rated film, it has already passed the biggest September opening weekend record in just one day, and it's only $1.5M away from the biggest horror opening weekend ever (Paranormal Activity 3 - $52.5M)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/weekend-box-office-it-movie-scares-up-record-thursday-night-1036714


Please let this be a sign to Hollywood that good remakes are fine.

I just came out of IT...It was amazing and incredible. If the box office keeps up, this will ABSOLUTELY get a the amazing sequel it deserves.

Glad you liked it!

Not to be a hater or anything, but it's absolutely staggering that this movie made more in ONE day than dark tower has made domestically in total.....

Now obviously Dark Tower didn't get the greatest of reviews but it's still a PG-13 action summer blockbuster. While IT is R rated and placed in September. Really stark contrast between the two King movies.

Also if it weren't for the hurricane IT may have done even a bit better.

My huge hope is that this will show studios that you can remake a beloved classic and do it right, and get rewarded massively.

1. Make a good film
2. Market it well and aggressively
3. Place it where there is little competition or other movies of the same genre out.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:01 pm

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'It' is absolutely destroying at the box office. Biggest opening day for an R rated film! It'll clear 100 million by Sunday IMO.

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'It' grosses $51M on Friday. That is the biggest opening day ever for an R-rated film, it has already passed the biggest September opening weekend record in just one day, and it's only $1.5M away from the biggest horror opening weekend ever (Paranormal Activity 3 - $52.5M)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/weekend-box-office-it-movie-scares-up-record-thursday-night-1036714


Please let this be a sign to Hollywood that good remakes are fine.

I just came out of IT...It was amazing and incredible. If the box office keeps up, this will ABSOLUTELY get a the amazing sequel it deserves.

Glad you liked it!

Not to be a hater or anything, but it's absolutely staggering that this movie made more in ONE day than dark tower has made domestically in total.....

Now obviously Dark Tower didn't get the greatest of reviews but it's still a PG-13 action summer blockbuster. While IT is R rated and placed in September. Really stark contrast between the two King movies.

Also if it weren't for the hurricane IT may have done even a bit better.

My huge hope is that this will show studios that you can remake a beloved classic and do it right, and get rewarded massively.

1. Make a good film
2. Market it well and aggressively
3. Place it where there is little competition or other movies of the same genre out.

Its a shame Dark Tower has no chance at getting the franchise run it deserved. IT is good for a sequel and thats pretty much it...but Dark Tower could have been the vehicle to making the interconnected King Universe. Yeah, I saw a packed house at the theater and people of all ages, even little kids.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:16 pm

Roland Emmerich will direct a movie about The Battle Of Midway for Lionsgate.

They should have gotten Spielberg or Nolan. Sorry, but Emmerich is the wrong fit to make a movie about such a major game changer in WW2 and one of the most important battles in naval warfare history.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:38 pm

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Roland Emmerich will direct a movie about The Battle Of Midway for Lionsgate.

They should have gotten Spielberg or Nolan. Sorry, but Emmerich is the wrong fit to make a movie about such a major game changer in WW2 and one of the most important battles in naval warfare history.

If anything, it'll be guaranteed to be entertaining.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:14 am

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Roland Emmerich will direct a movie about The Battle Of Midway for Lionsgate.

They should have gotten Spielberg or Nolan. Sorry, but Emmerich is the wrong fit to make a movie about such a major game changer in WW2 and one of the most important battles in naval warfare history.

Woah.

That's gonna be cheesy as hell most likely. Weird choice.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:16 am

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Roland Emmerich will direct a movie about The Battle Of Midway for Lionsgate.

They should have gotten Spielberg or Nolan. Sorry, but Emmerich is the wrong fit to make a movie about such a major game changer in WW2 and one of the most important battles in naval warfare history.

Yeah, this strikes me as an extremely wrong-headed choice. This reminds me of how he directed The Patriot shortly after Zilla, but that was really more of a good vs evil popcorn movie in the vein of Braveheart than a historical war epic. He's trying to salvage his directing cred by echoing his past pattern of success, even though the simple fact of the matter is - he hasn't got it anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:42 pm

I had heard he was planning on it. He wants to go back to more dramatic roles like the ones he plays in "Schindler's List" and "Michael Collins".
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:09 pm

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:16 pm

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I had heard he was planning on it. He wants to go back to more dramatic roles like the ones he plays in "Schindler's List" and "Michael Collins".
as long as he keeps acting, i'm happy Wink 


on Emmerich...yeah, it sounds like a bad fit and the concept of the movie sounds like it's just a Dunkirk imitator
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:48 pm

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I had heard he was planning on it. He wants to go back to more dramatic roles like the ones he plays in "Schindler's List" and "Michael Collins".

As long as his films are good more power to him imo.

Won't lie though, I love action Liam. It'd be cool to get one last iconic action movie out of him.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:50 pm

What do you guys think about the new trailer for 'Downsizing' ?



I think it looks silly but extremely interesting at the same time.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:56 pm

Many in Hollywood are doubling down on hating Trump and his supporters.

If these people don't get that this is part of the reason why so many people don't go to movies, and that they actually HELPED get Trump elected to begin with, then nothing will. You don't succeed in making money or convincing others by trashing so much of your potential audience. GB2016, anybody?

I'm just going to re-post an earlier post here.

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It looks like J-Law may have damaged her chances of her new movie doing well.

She basically implied that America deserves the hurricanes for voting in Trump as president.

When are movie studios going to consider issuing gag orders or something via actors/actresses talking politics? Crap like this is part of the reason why people don't see movies as much.

Not only that, but it's part of the reason why Trump got elected in the first place. Watch this video from 1:38 on.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:18 pm

Just saw 'Mother!'

I want to start by stating two things.

1.  The marketing is a straight up lie. This is neither a horror movie or thriller in ANY sense of the word. What in gods name were they thinking? Many people are going back for a refund on this one.

2. It is both the worst and possibly the best movie I've seen in a while. Sound extreme? That's because this experience was extreme. I've never seen such an abstract movie in a theater with this kind of marketing and a huge cast. It's basically one big art project of ideas. But.... I can not stop thinking about it......

My review and then I'll spoiler tag what I think the movie is trying to say.

The movie is one big metaphor.

The problem with this movie is that it really hits you over the head with this fact over and over again until you want to walk out. It's almost like the director doesn't believe that you get his ideas so he repeats them constantly to the point of sheer exhaustion and punishment. And then there is nothing else to the film besides the metaphor!

The movie is just Lawrence going from room to room finding and doing weird sh*t. There isn't really an engaging story or really any story at all. And by the time I got super interested it was 1 hour and 40 minutes too late and I was extremely frustrated and bored. There are no standout performances or moments besides the end that make you say "wow". The film felt 3 hours long.
The movie would have been far better served up with a more cohesive plot surrounding the weirdness and metaphor like 'Black Swan' or maybe even a short film.

What I think the metaphor is.

Spoiler:
 

There are some really interesting ideas in the film.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:08 am

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Just saw 'Mother!'

I want to start by stating two things.

1.  The marketing is a straight up lie. This is neither a horror movie or thriller in ANY sense of the word. What in gods name were they thinking? Many people are going back for a refund on this one.

2. It is both the worst and possibly the best movie I've seen in a while. Sound extreme? That's because this experience was extreme. I've never seen such an abstract movie in a theater with this kind of marketing and a huge cast. It's basically one big art project of ideas. But.... I can not stop thinking about it......

My review and then I'll spoiler tag what I think the movie is trying to say.

The movie is one big metaphor.

The problem with this movie is that it really hits you over the head with this fact over and over again until you want to walk out. It's almost like the director doesn't believe that you get his ideas so he repeats them constantly to the point of sheer exhaustion and punishment. And then there is nothing else to the film besides the metaphor!

The movie is just Lawrence going from room to room finding and doing weird sh*t. There isn't really an engaging story or really any story at all. And by the time I got super interested it was 1 hour and 40 minutes too late and I was extremely frustrated and bored. There are no standout performances or moments besides the end that make you say "wow". The film felt 3 hours long.
The movie would have been far better served up with a more cohesive plot surrounding the weirdness and metaphor like 'Black Swan' or maybe even a short film.

What I think the metaphor is.

Spoiler:
 

There are some really interesting ideas in the film.

So I guess its true JLaw did tell her boyfriend that he was disturbed after she read the script and went ahead anyway bc she was in love with him (he's the director)

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:40 am

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Troyal1 wrote:
Just saw 'Mother!'

I want to start by stating two things.

1.  The marketing is a straight up lie. This is neither a horror movie or thriller in ANY sense of the word. What in gods name were they thinking? Many people are going back for a refund on this one.

2. It is both the worst and possibly the best movie I've seen in a while. Sound extreme? That's because this experience was extreme. I've never seen such an abstract movie in a theater with this kind of marketing and a huge cast. It's basically one big art project of ideas. But.... I can not stop thinking about it......

My review and then I'll spoiler tag what I think the movie is trying to say.

The movie is one big metaphor.

The problem with this movie is that it really hits you over the head with this fact over and over again until you want to walk out. It's almost like the director doesn't believe that you get his ideas so he repeats them constantly to the point of sheer exhaustion and punishment. And then there is nothing else to the film besides the metaphor!

The movie is just Lawrence going from room to room finding and doing weird sh*t. There isn't really an engaging story or really any story at all. And by the time I got super interested it was 1 hour and 40 minutes too late and I was extremely frustrated and bored. There are no standout performances or moments besides the end that make you say "wow". The film felt 3 hours long.
The movie would have been far better served up with a more cohesive plot surrounding the weirdness and metaphor like 'Black Swan' or maybe even a short film.

What I think the metaphor is.

Spoiler:
 

There are some really interesting ideas in the film.

So I guess its true JLaw did tell her boyfriend that he was disturbed after she read the script and went ahead anyway bc she was in love with him (he's the director)

The more I think about the film though, the more i really like it. I know how contradictory that sounds, but the movie has incredible ideas.

It's just so very abstract. A lot of the critics I've seen on YouTube are agreeing with me that it took them a while to see how they felt. It's very much like digesting food I believe.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:00 pm

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:36 pm

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It looks like J-Law's new movie, Mother!, is going to be a flop.

Yeah like Troyal said I've heard from other critics that the movie is very pretentious and constantly beats you over the head with the metaphor.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:51 pm

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Rhedosaurus wrote:
It looks like J-Law's new movie, Mother!, is going to be a flop.

Yeah like Troyal said I've heard from other critics that the movie is very pretentious and constantly beats you over the head with the metaphor.

Her hurricane comment did the most damage with the GA though.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:58 pm

Rhedosaurus wrote:
Sickle_Claw wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
It looks like J-Law's new movie, Mother!, is going to be a flop.

Yeah like Troyal said I've heard from other critics that the movie is very pretentious and constantly beats you over the head with the metaphor.

Her hurricane comment did the most damage with the GA though.
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mother! gets a Cinemascope of F.

Wow. So seems everyone hates it.

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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:14 pm

Sickle_Claw wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
Sickle_Claw wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
It looks like J-Law's new movie, Mother!, is going to be a flop.

Yeah like Troyal said I've heard from other critics that the movie is very pretentious and constantly beats you over the head with the metaphor.

Her hurricane comment did the most damage with the GA though.
https:

mother! gets a Cinemascope of F.

Wow. So seems everyone hates it.

She said that she's taking a 2 year break. Hopefully, she wises up and learns to keep her mouth shut more often.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:01 pm

Rhedosaurus wrote:
Sickle_Claw wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
Sickle_Claw wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
It looks like J-Law's new movie, Mother!, is going to be a flop.

Yeah like Troyal said I've heard from other critics that the movie is very pretentious and constantly beats you over the head with the metaphor.

Her hurricane comment did the most damage with the GA though.
https:

mother! gets a Cinemascope of F.

Wow. So seems everyone hates it.

She said that she's taking a 2 year break. Hopefully, she wises up and learns to keep her mouth shut more often.

Man, Paramount Pictures just cannot can't a break these days can they?!

After a string of underwhelming box office results, flops and bad investments, they better start investing in smarter movie ideas otherwise they will go under before Sony Pictures does.
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PostSubject: Re: General Movie Discussion   Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:11 pm

I think the cast and crew would view the F score as more of an accomplishment than anything. This film wasn't made for the GA. Not even close. They weren't even in mind. This movie was made as an art project for Darren and his fans with a bunch of popular celebrities I think, rather than a movie. I mean the rough draft was written in 5 days. The marketing was dirty but I have no clue how else you'd market it without giving everything away. Paramount saw this as an opportunity to try and cash in on Lawrence and other big actors before awards season probably. And again false advertising.

Like one of my favorite critics from double toasted gave it a full price but said "don't go see it". Same with Chris Stuckman. He gave an A-  but really wasn't raving about why you should see it. Which is very odd. But that's the sentiment I've seen even among people like myself. It really leaves you with an odd feeling. Like you were in a accident and you are just shocked.

Like I said in the private DM it's both the best and worst movie I've seen in a long time. So abstract.

I'm definitely watching it again and I think I'm going to be in the camp that likes it for what it is. The HORRIBLE word of mouth and "IT" is what will kill this movie box office wise. I don't believe her infuriating comments have much to do with it at all as lots of people probably agree with her(scary) or don't even know.

Killing them softly is another example of a movie with an F on cinemascore. I believe for many the F is a knee jerk reaction because they were sold on a horror thriller, and yet got an extremely pretentious art project instead. It was probably a pretty big shock to anyone not knowing what they were in for. I knew what I was in for and I was still just like ??? And shocked.

I'm not blaming the audience at all. But that's what I think happened.

This will be his most divisive movie among fans of his like myself I believe.


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