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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:01 pm

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Yeah I take it from the "Under New Management" thing that its just stealing the name.

Stealing the name and leading people to believe JPL is back. Rolling Eyes

It's a bit silly.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:04 pm

It's genius but morally incorrect. I say it'd smart because whoever it is going to get anyone still searching JPL pulled into the thought that this is related. So the 11,000 members who might go searching might now be traffic for him. However, as smart as it is to get that traffic, it's obvious it isn't really to us and pretty rotten to steal jpl's popularity.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:08 pm

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It's genius but morally incorrect. I say it'd smart because whoever it is going to get anyone still searching JPL pulled into the thought that this is related. So the 11,000 members who might go searching might now be traffic for him. However, as smart as it is to get that traffic, it's obvious it isn't really to us and pretty rotten to steal jpl's popularity.

I think you're over thinking it. It is clearer than that.

Certain people who didn't want JPL to go have taken it upon themselves to use the name.

Just wait for the website. Laughing Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:14 pm

You think someone is going to make a JPL website too? Like I said smart for attracting attention and horrible for being a thief. I only say its smart because in this world of "Likes, views, and retweets" you get more of a following.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:22 pm

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You think someone is going to make a JPL website too? Like I said smart for attracting attention and horrible for being a thief. I only say its smart because in this world of "Likes, views, and retweets" you get more of a following.

It has just been confirmed to me by one of the 5 members via Twitter DM that they have intentions of bring JPL back.

The member who messaged me is actually one a respect and is a genuinely nice person so I'll keep them anonymous:

''Our mission is not to compete or try and take down other sites. We just want to coexist in the community. We are not going to operate under the idea that only us should be successful and others should fail.''

''Thank you. It will be some time before the actual site is up, but our plan is to honor what came before us''
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:27 pm

WHOA! So what would that mean for JPP if a new JPL is formed, would you merge? Bring back all the saved info and start over there or would they be separate entities? Is that member a former member of JPL, just curious...
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:32 pm

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WHOA! So what would that mean for JPP if a new JPL is formed, would you merge? Bring back all the saved info and start over there or would they be separate entities? Is that member a former member of JPL, just curious...

Portal will stay.

Yes, the member is a former member of JPL.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:12 pm

Sorry to keep asking questions but did they express a desire to bring back thing like podcast, encyclopedia, and other projects?
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:15 pm

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Sorry to keep asking questions but did they express a desire to bring back thing like podcast, encyclopedia, and other projects?

The encyclopedia, yes.

Other projects, no.


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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:20 pm

The Encyclopedia is safe. I dont know why people think its 'gone forever and nobody can get it back'. It's backed up on a private link.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:22 pm

I think we should just focus on building this place, it has all we need!
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:45 pm

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The Encyclopedia is safe. I dont know why people think its 'gone forever and nobody can get it back'. It's backed up on a private link.

Well, what if it never gets released back to us? We dont have a time line, and Ty had said until he thought the community was ready. So when would that be? I'm not saying its gone for good just that for must of us we have no idea when we'll see it again, 6 months, 2 years, or maybe never as the timeline we all imagine I'd guess.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:47 pm

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The Encyclopedia is safe. I dont know why people think its 'gone forever and nobody can get it back'. It's backed up on a private link.

Well, what if it never gets released back to us? We dont have a time line, and Ty had said until he thought the community was ready. So when would that be? I'm not saying its gone for good just that for must of us we have no idea when we'll see it again, 6 months, 2 years, or maybe never as the timeline we all imagine I'd guess.

He gave a link to one of the people running it.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:54 pm

Sorry I dont follow, running what? The new JPL, JPP, or something else?

I'm not being a jerk, our little argument behind us, I'm literally just saying that this is literally what he said:

"Encyclopedia is to be under lock and key for a very long time until the fandom basically can handle it I guess? I don't know how to phrase it entirely. The thing is though, people have their personal head canons and that's fine and all that."

Someone saved some of the last posts on JPL and this was one of them. So I'm just saying that could be a long time from now just from the fact he said that directly and in the mean time no one has a "decent" reference for JP related info.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:56 pm

@Spiegel wrote:
Sorry I dont follow, running what? The new JPL, JPP, or something else?

I'm not being a jerk, our little argument behind us, I'm literally just saying that this is literally what he said:

"Encyclopedia is to be under lock and key for a very long time until the fandom basically can handle it I guess? I don't know how to phrase it entirely. The thing is though, people have their personal head canons and that's fine and all that."

Someone saved some of the last posts on JPL and this was one of them. So I'm just saying that could be a long time from now just from the fact he said that directly and in the mean time no one has a "decent" reference for JP related info.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:01 pm

Why is there a hush hush about this new JPL thing, and why can't we know who's behind it?
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:23 pm

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Why is there a hush hush about this new JPL thing, and why can't we know who's behind it?

LK and Nublar7 are two of the members.

The other members of the consortium probably signed NDA's or some shit. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:00 pm

Spoiler:
 
Sorry its so big but it makes it look complete. Huge shout out to all those who remember this old forum. LTL!
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:06 pm

It hasn't been gone that long, so I'd assume we all remember it just fine.

Still, looking at it again is always nostalgic.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:09 pm

I meant those who remember compared to those who dont (a lot of newer people around I feel like), thanks for adding the spoiler I didnt even think of that!
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:12 pm

Man, that brings back memories. Maybe if this JPL 2 things works out they will try for a LTL 2 of their own.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:15 pm

I'd die of happiness. I found it on this archive thing. It has different posts saved and the main page and some encyclopedia articles. It's very nostalgic.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:52 pm

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:26 pm



I wanted to wait for the right time before I spilled the beans so to speak.

But yeah it is real Smile
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:40 pm

Now I'm just confused o_o

Sounds interesting though.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:21 am

@smaugtheterrible wrote:
Now I'm just confused o_o

Sounds interesting though.

Short version: Some people just want JPL back, and 5 of them are trying to bring it back. It's currently got a Twitter, and eventually they want to make a website and a forum .While they may be members here, this project is not affiliated with us, and the Portal will stay regardless of what happens. I think that sums it up. Very Happy

So with the fighting and stuff hopefully over, what would our members like to see from the Portal moving forward, honestly?

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:33 am

@TheDreamMaster wrote:
@smaugtheterrible wrote:
Now I'm just confused o_o

Sounds interesting though.

Short version: Some people just want JPL back, and 5 of them are trying to bring it back. It's currently got a Twitter, and eventually they want to make a website and a forum .While they may be members here, this project is not affiliated with us, and the Portal will stay regardless of what happens. I think that sums it up. Very Happy

So with the fighting and stuff hopefully over, what would our members like to see from the Portal moving forward, honestly?

Pretty much what we have been talking about. Beyond my and Spiegel's jabs at Ty, he did explain several problems he thinks he has with this forum. I mean that is really the core of the argument, was this forum's issues, and I think Ty got worked into it somehow because the encyclopedia(?) and the whole Ty pity party thing and so on and so forth, and then it just spiraled from there. Sort of like, I want an encyclopedia, but we can't because the almighty lord above TY said so. These sort of problems.


Anyway, I do want an encyclopedia, but really I just want more to do. Portal is just a forum, and I get really bored with it easily. I want more than that. JPLegacy was huge, with a big website and several things to do, the encyclopedia, the forum, news, downloads, a gallery of all the games and movies and books and toys. Even if you don't want all that the forum seemed to be quite a lot larger. I also want a more active... everything. The staff, I don't even know who some of them are. It just doesn't feel involved. It was all Levine until he retired, and now... who knows? No one person seems to be doing anything, which is good and bad. I'm not really sure what to say here, something's just... off.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:29 am

@TheDreamMaster wrote:

Short version: Some people just want JPL back, and 5 of them are trying to bring it back. It's currently got a Twitter, and eventually they want to make a website and a forum .While they may be members here, this project is not affiliated with us, and the Portal will stay regardless of what happens. I think that sums it up. Very Happy
6 core people but also receiving help from others. All good people who only want to try and restore the good memories and feels of JPL. Will it be exactly the same? No, that's impossible, the old version is gone. Rebuilt from scratch with similar elements(one element that has already been mentioned in this thread) and some new things. We already have a couple of exciting new ideas in the pipeline.

The rest of the group will be unveiled at a later point, but I feel we have a tremendous team capable of honoring the old JPL in the right way. If we fail it is on us and will never take away from what the original JPL had going for it. Our attitude from day one was to create a place for the fans by the fans. We have no intention to compete or back stab or anything else like that, we only want to coexist and continue to add new things for Jurassic fans. The Jurassic community as a whole is the most important thing to us, there won't be any walls on our sides. In fact we will constantly promote other sites like this one and hope that there could be fun future crossover projects to continue to only strengthen this community. We have no desire to be #1 or anything like that, we only want to exist.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:32 am

@Nublar7 Can you maybe start a thread on here to provide us with information as you release as well as any links like the twitter and eventually website. I think this great news btw!
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:01 am

@Nublar7 wrote:
@TheDreamMaster wrote:

Short version: Some people just want JPL back, and 5 of them are trying to bring it back. It's currently got a Twitter, and eventually they want to make a website and a forum .While they may be members here, this project is not affiliated with us, and the Portal will stay regardless of what happens. I think that sums it up. Very Happy  
6 core people but also receiving help from others. All good people who only want to try and restore the good memories and feels of JPL. Will it be exactly the same? No, that's impossible, the old version is gone. Rebuilt from scratch with similar elements(one element that has already been mentioned in this thread) and some new things. We already have a couple of exciting new ideas in the pipeline.

The rest of the group will be unveiled at a later point, but I feel we have a tremendous team capable of honoring the old JPL in the right way. If we fail it is on us and will never take away from what the original JPL had going for it. Our attitude from day one was to create a place for the fans by the fans. We have no intention to compete or back stab or anything else like that, we only want to coexist and continue to add new things for Jurassic fans. The Jurassic community as a whole is the most important thing to us, there won't be any walls on our sides. In fact we will constantly promote other sites like this one and hope that there could be fun future crossover projects to continue to only strengthen this community. We have no desire to be #1 or anything like that, we only want to exist.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:58 pm

Yeah, I have to be honest I don't like your guys' usage the JPL name. I think it's great that you guys are trying to make a new site and you have my full support on that. You can get away with it legally because any trademarks or copyrights belong to Universal and Ty truly did not own any of it, and the domain name is up for grabs, but it does come off as kind of disrespectful. JPL has a fanbase, and while you say it's to keep the memories alive, it feels like you're just taking advantage of the notoriety of it's name.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:46 pm

Why not "Jurassic Legacy"?

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:00 pm

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Why not "Jurassic Legacy"?
Or "Jurassic Park Legacy's Legacy"...
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:09 pm

@Nublar7 wrote:
@TheDreamMaster wrote:

Short version: Some people just want JPL back, and 5 of them are trying to bring it back. It's currently got a Twitter, and eventually they want to make a website and a forum .While they may be members here, this project is not affiliated with us, and the Portal will stay regardless of what happens. I think that sums it up. Very Happy  
6 core people but also receiving help from others. All good people who only want to try and restore the good memories and feels of JPL. Will it be exactly the same? No, that's impossible, the old version is gone. Rebuilt from scratch with similar elements(one element that has already been mentioned in this thread) and some new things. We already have a couple of exciting new ideas in the pipeline.

The rest of the group will be unveiled at a later point, but I feel we have a tremendous team capable of honoring the old JPL in the right way. If we fail it is on us and will never take away from what the original JPL had going for it. Our attitude from day one was to create a place for the fans by the fans. We have no intention to compete or back stab or anything else like that, we only want to coexist and continue to add new things for Jurassic fans. The Jurassic community as a whole is the most important thing to us, there won't be any walls on our sides. In fact we will constantly promote other sites like this one and hope that there could be fun future crossover projects to continue to only strengthen this community. We have no desire to be #1 or anything like that, we only want to exist.

@Nublar7 I'm not against you and others reviving JPL, or at least keeping it's spirit alive but I have to ask.

Isn't it far too soon for a revival? Wouldn't it be better off for you to have waited until 2016 was over and all the sadness from the shut down was gone/massively reduced? With all due respect, it feels...tacky to revive a site that has been shut down for a little over a month. Not only that, but by looking at the negative responses, I really think that a lot of this wouldn't have been as bad then as it is now.

I'm not as against this like a lot of the old members are, since I wanted Ty to sell off the old site. (In fairness, I don't blame him for not doing so like a few members here do.) It's just that I think you and the other staff members were so focused on reviving JPL that you failed to see the larger picture and didn't see what the fanbase here, not to mention those who went to other sites, would think about reviving it so soon.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:52 pm

@Nublar7 wrote:
@TheDreamMaster wrote:

Short version: Some people just want JPL back, and 5 of them are trying to bring it back. It's currently got a Twitter, and eventually they want to make a website and a forum .While they may be members here, this project is not affiliated with us, and the Portal will stay regardless of what happens. I think that sums it up. Very Happy  

6 core people but also receiving help from others. All good people who only want to try and restore the good memories and feels of JPL. Will it be exactly the same? No, that's impossible, the old version is gone. Rebuilt from scratch with similar elements(one element that has already been mentioned in this thread) and some new things. We already have a couple of exciting new ideas in the pipeline.

The rest of the group will be unveiled at a later point, but I feel we have a tremendous team capable of honoring the old JPL in the right way. If we fail it is on us and will never take away from what the original JPL had going for it. Our attitude from day one was to create a place for the fans by the fans. We have no intention to compete or back stab or anything else like that, we only want to coexist and continue to add new things for Jurassic fans. The Jurassic community as a whole is the most important thing to us, there won't be any walls on our sides. In fact we will constantly promote other sites like this one and hope that there could be fun future crossover projects to continue to only strengthen this community. We have no desire to be #1 or anything like that, we only want to exist.

Sooooo why cant the good memories be restored on here? I dont understand what reviving a site with the old name accomplishes to be honest. That was the entire point of this site's existence. To me, people never gave this place a chance because they never wanted to move on after the original JPL closed and IMO it'll never be the same.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:09 pm

I'm gonna have to agree, for the time being, about the... pointlessness (for lack of a better term) of a new site. We have this place right now and even here our situation isn't exactly well-grounded, so how's making a different site going to help? You're just gonna make this even harder to deal with than it already is.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:20 pm

Using JPL' name cheap and disrespectful and it looks rather embarrassing that a few members here and there have taking it upon themselves to be the chosen few to resurrect a site that they didn't own in the first place and also had a very good and respectable send off.

Using the Twitter handle is bad enough but to be planning a site under the JPLegacy name? Come on guys. You're basically leaching off of JPL's former glory. Do you think any of us wanted JPL to go down? No, we didn't. We could have quite easily called this place JPL but we didn't, because it wasn't right and it never will be.

As has been said, you're well within your rights to make a JP site but why be cheap and quite frankly petty enough to call it JPL? Even so, why can't you just try and put all your ideas to good use here? Why is this place such a problem, especially in regard to creating something new from scratch?

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:07 pm

Ugh, everybody is splitting off. Everything was better when JPLegacy was around and the fanbase basically only existed there. Any other sites were either irrelevant or had the same members as JPLegacy. Now there is like 47 fansites, since JPLegacy was deaded, and none of them satisfy me, not even this one.



This is really quite a pickle.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:21 pm

Which is why this new JPL is just gonna divvy things up more. It'll just drive yet another wedge in this block of a fandom (sh*t metaphor but whatever).

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:27 pm

@Richard Levine wrote:
Which is why this new JPL is just gonna divvy things up more. It'll just drive yet another wedge in this block of a fandom (sh*t metaphor but whatever).

Yes. Only if this one is as great as JPLegacy will it satisfy me, which probably won't happen. Regardless, it won't win over the entire community and it seems as though it will just split us off even more.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:32 pm

If all those members came back to a site with same or similar name, especially if they knew it was founded by the other members it might mean something again and draw them back there. I mean, dont get me wrong, I see no problem with doing it here but if they choose not to,what are you can you do? I'm just saying there could be some good things that come from using the name... but I do understand everyone's reservations.

Honestly I think the issue with so many fansites comes down to the fact that there was way more internal division than was ever imagined. Hell, you saw in our little tiff RL. Different opinions about situations, the site, or certain people. Opinions that werent expressed before are just coming to a head, that ol' ban hammer kept people quite. At least thats my take on all of this.

Finally, in my opinion over the use of the name:

Use it. JPL wasn;t just about the site name or about who ran it. It was the community, effort, and the work. In the end if JPL was handed over would we have gone with a name change? Just a thought, or would we continue it as JPL? My point is just that its really not about the name to me, though I think it could help reunite members, but about the people.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:10 pm

The new JPL will have really interesting features, though.
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:56 pm

@Lord Kristine wrote:
The new JPL will have really interesting features, though.
Can you address the criticisms stated about using JPL's name please?
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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:14 pm

If this new JPL has some wonderful feature that solves all our current problems, gets everybody to come to a common consensus, drags in significantly more of our old members, makes this whole forum redundant and faxes a clearly-worded letter to everybody scattered about the fandom wondering what the hell to do anymore, then you might be on to something.

Until then, I remain highly skeptical.

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PostSubject: Re: JPLegacy Memorial Thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:52 pm

I'm just sitting here hoping we can all come together no matter what site it's on.
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