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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:58 pm

I just hope that it's not too dark. I've noticed that since 2010-2012, more people have been mostly rejecting the darker/scarier themes. Nolan's Batman movies were the exception to the rule, but that's a special case.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:24 pm

I think that in order for people to enjoy the darker story and not just reject it out of hand is to have strong narrative and character underpinnings; aka Owen and Claire must be more strongly written and presented in order to win over the folks who weren't exactly impressed by them in Jurassic World.

That and the story, in whatever form it takes, will have to balance out it's new ideas as intelligently as possible. Jurassic Park, the original, had a mature story with a suspense and horror elements and still managed to be PG-13 (or just PG as it is in the UK). I don't think we should worry about it becoming R-rated, since it's only a small minority of people who want that and Bayona is probably smart enough to know when to hold back from going too dark. Spielberg, Trevorrow and Bayona are probably keenly aware of this franchise's appeal to children, so going too far would hurt the film and it's reception rather than help it
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:42 am

I don't necessarily want JW2 to be dark, but I want it to be scary and suspenseful.
JP was not that dark, but it was scary. TLW was both dark and scary. JW wasn't none of them (with a few exceptions, especially concerning the first scenes of the Indominus).

A sequence like the JP kitchen scene or similar in JW2 would be already a step forward compared to JW (which I loved, but lacked some supsense).
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:49 pm

Another little Jurassic World 2 interview with Trevorrow and Bayona, this one about the relationship between humans and animals:

http://www.scified.com/news/jurassic-world-2-change-your-outlook-dinosaurs

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:26 pm

Bayona compares the sequel to "The Empire Strikes Back" :

http://www.scified.com/news/jurassic-world-be-darker-like-the-empire-strikes-back
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:31 am

It looks like kids will be back again:

https://twitter.com/jplegacy/status/788757010359681025

Casting call for little girls at 9-12 year age.


If this is true, I seriously give up.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:52 am

I am also not very fond of kids but until now, kids/early teenagers who played in a J.A Bayona film did a pretty good performance in them (better than most of the kids of the franchise) so this news doesn't bother me very much.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:21 am

Give up?

Spino, with all due respect, I hardly think a little girl is any reason to panic. Bad writing, acting, directing and execution of story, however, IS. Also, this is Bayona, a more experienced and dare it be said, better, director than Colin Trevorrow. I didn't like the idea of the I. rex until I actually saw the film, and I was won over.

I liked Gray in Jurassic World, but I still don't really like Zach that much even taking his arc into account, he was still annoying for most of the film until he had a close brush with death.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:55 am

I know it looks like an over reaction attitude but I'm really upset by this news. And sad. It cuts my hype greatly, since I didn't want kids to appear.

One of the main reasons I put on my wishlist for JW2 is that it shouldn't have kids. I don't like kids in general and I'm tired of every JP movie with kids. It just feels forced. Specially now that there's not a park and the movie will be "darker" according to Bayona. And the "kid shield" is also annoying. You see the character, and you know nothing is going to happen with he/she because it's a kid.  JW2 should have something new.

Also, something that annoys me out is the great screentime they have. It shouldn't foccus too much on them. JW for example, I think they foccused too much on the divorce drama and the kids. Zach is horrible from the start to end, and Gray is starting to make me skip the scenes when I watch JW again.

I don't doubt we'll also see divorce subplot again. Ugh. I hate this useless plot taking place when there's a huge science/moral debate that is way more important for the movie/plot.


If there's going to be kids again, I guess I can cut off the new dinosaur species with great scenes and also major character development.

And I don't know if this was an unique decision by Bayona. I mean, he's not fully in control of the movie.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:41 pm

Her name is Lucy and could have a major role. Maybe.

http://jurassicoutpost.com/jurassic-world-2-holding-open-casting-role-young-girl/
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:45 pm

If this Lucy character does a major role, then we should aim to be hopeful and supportive of the actress they cast and wish her luck, it is possible for a great child performance to be procured by a director like Bayona, and if his last two movies are anything to go by he CAN get good performances out of his child actors, both A Monster Calls and The Impossible have amazing reviews and one of those young actors, Tom Holland, is frigging SPIDER-MAN.

What it will depend on is if Trevorrow and Connolly can improve their script writing for the new film, and that Bayona will have his say on whether or not something works for the film since he is the director and it's his prerogative. We would think of this as Steven Spielberg and George Lucas as partners on the Indiana Jones films.

Imagine for a moment that we aren't the ages that we are now (and also pretend the production was looking or boys as well as girls), and we were just as huge fans of this franchise as we are in reality, I'd be going crazy at the chance to audition for a Jurassic film, hoping to receive that phone call bringing the good news. And I like that every now and again, a young actor gets the chance to have that experience. Maybe I'm in the minority on that, but I don't think a child character is the automatic death knell for this film.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:59 pm

@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
I know it looks like an over reaction attitude but I'm really upset by this news. And sad. It cuts my hype greatly, since I didn't want kids to appear.

One of the main reasons I put on my wishlist for JW2 is that it shouldn't have kids. I don't like kids in general and I'm tired of every JP movie with kids. It just feels forced. Specially now that there's not a park and the movie will be "darker" according to Bayona. And the "kid shield" is also annoying. You see the character, and you know nothing is going to happen with he/she because it's a kid.  JW2 should have something new.

Also, something that annoys me out is the great screentime they have. It shouldn't foccus too much on them. JW for example, I think they foccused too much on the divorce drama and the kids. Zach is horrible from the start to end, and Gray is starting to make me skip the scenes when I watch JW again.

I don't doubt we'll also see divorce subplot again. Ugh. I hate this useless plot taking place when there's a huge science/moral debate that is way more important for the movie/plot.


If there's going to be kids again, I guess I can cut off the new dinosaur species with great scenes and also major character development.

I get why some people don't like having kids, but here's the problem. Kids were always a huge part of the Jurassic Park movies simply because kids LOVE dinosaurs. Kids made up a huge part of the JP audience. Always were and always will be. Not having a kid in a Jurassic Park/Jurassic World movie would be basically be going against tradition.

Also, you don't think that Lex and Tim as well as Malcolm's daughter suffered some sort of PSTD for a while?
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:06 pm

Well, it's funny how you say that, I mean, when I was a kid I was the only kid that liked dinosaurs on my school. And that's something strange, yeah, I got mocked and stuff because of that so I think that love from kids about dinosaurs is rare... Or I didn't search the right place. Smile


But what makes JP for me is just the dinosaurs and the atmosphere. The rest you can delete, I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:35 pm

I'm excited, any piece of news should be cherished. Looks to me like the Lucy character is inspired from novel Lex, which is great! Bring back the novel!
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:24 pm

@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
Well, it's funny how you say that, I mean, when I was a kid I was the only kid that liked dinosaurs on my school. And that's something strange, yeah, I got mocked and stuff because of that so I think that love from kids about dinosaurs is rare... Or I didn't search the right place.  Smile

To be fair, I had some of that myself. It wasn't as bad as you since only a few people mocked me. Most people eventually knew that I loved dinosaurs and accepted that. I guess that the people have to see and explained why we like them in order to see things our way.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:01 pm

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@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
Well, it's funny how you say that, I mean, when I was a kid I was the only kid that liked dinosaurs on my school. And that's something strange, yeah, I got mocked and stuff because of that so I think that love from kids about dinosaurs is rare... Or I didn't search the right place.  Smile

To be fair, I had some of that myself. It wasn't as bad as you since only a few people mocked me. Most people eventually knew that I loved dinosaurs and accepted that. I guess that the people have to see and explained why we like them in order to see things our way.

I tried to tell them some cool stuff about dinosaurs or when it was on biology classes they often asked me but I had almost no respect. But the funny thing was that I had high grades on biology and my teachers liked me (bc I talked stuff with them) and on test days those assholes came to seek help from me like we were budies. Laughing

But I still helped them. I used my knowledge in biology as a weapon against everything.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:39 am

@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
It looks like kids will be back again:

https://twitter.com/jplegacy/status/788757010359681025

Casting call for little girls at 9-12 year age.


If this is true, I seriously give up.

Haha. Said the same thing lol

It is true.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:19 am

I don't see how kids can ruin a film. Let's not forget every JP movie had kids, first one had kids, it was great, the rest had kids, up to you to judge those.

Time to accept that the franchise has existed for over 20 years now, kids have always been part of it, stop complaining and accept they are part of the movies. Kids neither add or take away anything from the movie for me personally. I'd be a little more worried about too many hybrids ruining the movie rather than kids, which have always been part of it.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:16 am

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
I just hope that it's not too dark. I've noticed that since 2010-2012, more people have been mostly rejecting the darker/scarier themes. Nolan's Batman movies were the exception to the rule, but that's a special case.

I must disagree with you.
There is quite a lot of dark pop-culture works that are very popular today whether they be TV series (e.g Game of Thrones, Westworld), video games (e.g The Witcher) or even films (e.g Mad Max : Fury Road).
The opinion of the majority is not always the right one and I totally think that a dark Jurassic film can work and be successful.
After all, the novels were pretty dark so it wouldn't be antithetic to the "spirit" of the saga at all.
If they go for a darker route, they must embrace the darker themes of the saga and not making it not too dark just to please some people otherwise it would feel like a joke.

Concerning kids, it's not because they always have been part of the franchise that they need to be in every iteration and producers really need to stop thinking of them as the main target audience.
However I'm waiting for details concerning that Lucy character before debating on the utility of her character.
If she ends up becoming a Newt-like character or something different than the annoying whining little girl cliché, I wouldn't mind her presence.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:34 am

https://twitter.com/MrJakeJohnson/status/792014864235372545

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From what I hear Lowery will not be in JW2.
- Jake Johnson

Lowery won't be in JW2 apparently.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:35 am

yeah its certainly very interesting but it does lend credence to the idea that new characters will dominate

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:03 pm

I'm fine with this. I enjoyed Lowery's comedic injections into Jurassic World, but it's hard to see him going out into the field and having a back and forth with Owen and Claire in the jungle, Owen is far more likely to be the source of comedic relief in the next film. Also, changing up characters throughout the films is kind of traditional for this franchise.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:36 pm

So a "crazy" theory says the girl could be Wu's daughter...Now I want that sh*t to be real. I would also reconsider what I said about the girl if she's really some relative to Wu.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:44 pm

When I first saw that post from Jurassic Outpost on Facebook, I remembered Lucy the Australopithecus and my initial train of thought was that they were looking for a little girl to mo-cap as resurrected Australopithecus adolescent, named after the original "Lucy" fossil. And in essence, Dr Wu was her "father" in that he created and raised her.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:50 pm

@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
When I first saw that post from Jurassic Outpost on Facebook, I remembered Lucy the Australopithecus and my initial train of thought was that they were looking for a little girl to mo-cap as resurrected Australopithecus adolescent, named after the original "Lucy" fossil. And in essence, Dr Wu was her "father" in that he created and raised her.

I don't think the girl is an Australopithecus specimen, but that would be crazy as hell. Laughing

I think it's a "normal" Homo sapiens kid. XD

But that doesn't mean Wu couldn't create her from genetic engineering methods with the "best" genes.

I just want Wu to be a father now so hard. I'm tired of mad scientist characters. I would love to see that other side of Wu and that he's also a human.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:32 pm

Dr. Wu: Lucy you know I love you right? After all I named you after a very famous Australopithecus and if that's not love, I don't know what is.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:59 pm

I might be getting too crazy on this theory (it's just a theory, I know, but it's fun to speculate), but Bayona just compared JW2 to Empire Strikes Back in some sorts, maybe that means also a big plot twist with Lucy's father?

Maybe Lucy get's lost, Owen and Claire finds her during the movie, and latter we discover who her father is...And maybe the father realizes the damage he did and dies there...It fits with Wu, it could also fit with the new villain too (assuming a new character is her father, but from what I've read it's unlikely).

IMO it's a very interesting path, it would give the character more complexity, more development and depht, it wouldn't make the character one dimensional. If the case is Wu, they could make him get too far with science (something we all expect), but then he puts the only person he cares about in danger, and then he have to find a way to get back to his morals or perish...

I can imagine Wu saying: "Of course she's my daughter, she's a beautiful perfect human being." Laughing


Well, we'll see. But color me excited if this is real.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:03 am

I liked Lowery in JW but if he isn't in JW2 I wouldn't miss him too much. Following JW's events, there is actually more chances that he just get another job in some place, thus being barely in contact with Claire and co (if not at all) and not being involved with dinosaur's related incidents for the rest of his life than the opposite.

Concerning Lucy, the theory that claims that her father is a scientist seems quite likely but I think that she will be the daughter of a new character (a Paleontologist perhaps ?) and not Wu's.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:07 pm

@owenpratt wrote:
Another little Jurassic World 2 interview with Trevorrow and Bayona, this one about the relationship between humans and animals:

http://www.scified.com/news/jurassic-world-2-change-your-outlook-dinosaurs


Totally called that back on the old forums. Lol.

With the casting call made out for Lucy's character, it will probably be the last piece of news-news (asides from small tidbits) we get until probably 2017. But 2017 is packed with a lot of movies I'm excited for, so I'll have something to hold me over until we start getting regular updates.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:25 am

@1morey wrote:
@owenpratt wrote:
Another little Jurassic World 2 interview with Trevorrow and Bayona, this one about the relationship between humans and animals:

http://www.scified.com/news/jurassic-world-2-change-your-outlook-dinosaurs


Totally called that back on the old forums. Lol.

With the casting call made out for Lucy's character, it will probably be the last piece of news-news (asides from small tidbits) we get until probably 2017. But 2017 is packed with a lot of movies I'm excited for, so I'll have something to hold me over until we start getting regular updates.

I'd say we will get more casting news in coming months before 2016 is out (I hope?)!!
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:49 am

*sighs*

They're looking for a girl with south UK accent. So the role is very specific. It looks like this kid will have major role. The casting call says "Leading role". I would say her father is a new character that probably won't even appear much.

There we go. Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:42 am

I really hope they consider aging the character up and casting Millie Bobby Brown in the role of Lucy. After seeing Stranger Things (and in generally just how incredibly well the child actors performed on that show) I have full confidence in that girl's acting chops, and she could bring so much nuance, charm and sophistication to this role of Lucy that could make her a fan favourite. If they want Lucy to remain in the 8-11 year range, then they will end up making this more difficult for them than it needs to be; younger actors do tend to struggle.

Also, if she is indeed British, and her father is supposedly British as well, that leaves the door open for any number of respectable British character actors to step in.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:46 am

I don't care anymore at this point. Just wish this kid would die in the movie, but I know I won't get it. Hope her father won't appear much too, since there'll be probably more family drama. Chances are low I'll like this kid, Lucy. I'm already butthurt by the fact she'll have major role, so that won't help.


Hope they cast a new character, a scientist or a cool paleontologist that I can grow attached and care about. I would like to see another main character, but I think those 3 will be the only ones. Well, at least Claire is cool for me.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:06 am

The closest we will ever get to having a kid dying is when Lex and Tim where attacked by Rexy and the one British girl being attacked by the Compys. Maybe a high schooler, but even then, that's highly doubtful.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:18 am

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The closest we will ever get to having a kid dying is when Lex and Tim where attacked by Rexy and the one British girl being attacked by the Compys. Maybe a high schooler, but even then, that's highly doubtful.

Yeah because they're too afraid to kill a kid on screen. I mean, aliens did it in an amazing way. There's no excuse. They must think the dinosaurs have a moral compass like "oh we can't kill a kid, it's too shocking". It's so annoying bc no matter how tense the situation is, you know the little prick won't die because of Spielberg's kid shield.


I will only be shocked if they show dinosaurs being tortured or something like that. It's something I can't take.


Anyway, I feel depressed just to imagine I'll have to watch this movie with a kid in it. Ugh.

Sorry if I'm being annoying, just passing what I think, my opinions. You all have the right to like the kid in the movie and so on.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:44 pm

@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
*sighs*

They're looking for a girl with south UK accent. So the role is very specific. It looks like this kid will have major role. The casting call says "Leading role". I would say her father is a new character that probably won't even appear much.

There we go. Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad

How do u know they are looking for a girl with a "south UK accent"? Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:09 pm

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@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
*sighs*

They're looking for a girl with south UK accent. So the role is very specific. It looks like this kid will have major role. The casting call says "Leading role". I would say her father is a new character that probably won't even appear much.

There we go. Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad

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Nublar7 told on his twitter. He's pretty trustfull as fas as I know. Outpost guys also seem to know that.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:16 am

@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
@dance2nite wrote:
@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
*sighs*

They're looking for a girl with south UK accent. So the role is very specific. It looks like this kid will have major role. The casting call says "Leading role". I would say her father is a new character that probably won't even appear much.

There we go. Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad

How do u know they are looking for a girl with a "south UK accent"? Neutral

Nublar7 told on his twitter. He's pretty trustfull as fas as I know. Outpost guys also seem to know that.

Oh Ok thanks, must be a new characters daughter then, maybe the new lead villain's? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:28 am

For anyone who cares:
https://www.facebook.com/StagecoachFarnborough/photos/a.423653151149062.1073741830.420939358087108/646833338831041/?type=3&theater

The Stagecoach Agency are currently working with Casting Director Sally McCleery, who is casting for the feature film ‘Ancient Futures’. They are searching for a small 9 year old girl, who has an RP (Received Pronunciation) accent and is able to scream loudly – if your daughter fits the brief, we would love you to submit her for consideration!


Notice the part in bold. THATS new.

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:00 am

Does this mean major character maybe?

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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:36 am

She is major role. Disgusting.


Since there'll be a kid screaming again, I won't watch this on theaters. Will wait to watch on my house with a DVD so I can skip all the parts with this damn kid. I didn't ask for this, so I'm not going to make this kid canon.

I can already predict some stuff on this movie that people didn't ask to be there, unfortunately.


Also, looks like a new character (secondary, maybe) is getting cast as Clint. There's a video about it they posted on twitter. Hope Clint is a cool scientist I can relate too. Smile


PS: He's a system architect, if the video spoils it right.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:50 pm

Lol this disdain for Kids in JP is too much, there are kids in JP Movies to Sell toys. Its plain and simple. There will always be at least one. A kid will never be killed in JP/JW. Remember all the backlash for Zaras death? 100,000 times that if a kid gets killed.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:55 pm

"Disgusting"?? Freaking seriously???

No really - is this just a big joke that's gone completely over my head?

Trevorrow and Bayona aren't making a cast of delinquents and pedophiles, so "disgusting" is about as realistic as claiming a turkey is a suspension bridge. I would have thought we as fans had the collective maturity and goodwill to approach a subject like the next child character in this franchise with SOME semblance of open-mindedness.

If you're letting a CHILD scare you away from a new Jurassic film, as opposed to actual film problems like bad script, lousy directing, acting, editing, effects and things that generally piss people off about films.... that's your choice. If that really is how you feel, then I find this stance you've taken incredibly short-sighted.

Also I checked the news outlets, there isn't any information pertaining to "Lucy's" father, let alone that he is a scientist called Clint with a Twitter account. Think about that for a while.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:49 pm

Now listen. I never disrespected anyone here so no need to call me out just because I don't like kids the way you guys like. I have my own opinions and I'm not shoving my opinions down to anyone here. You have all the right to like kids. I HAVE ALL THE RIGHT to not like them and find the casting disgusting. What's the problem in that? Should I like everything that everyone likes? You can't make me like the kid in this movie, and you shouldn't shove it down like "oh you must accept". I'll never accept unfair things, no matter how it is.

And the casting call of Clint is real, I'm not making this up. Go ask ChrisLikesDinos or Nublar7. It's not a role about a scientist, but they can't give up some information because the guy posted the video online by accident and asked them to make the video private. But you can ask them, the video is real, the casting is real. I never said HE IS a scientist. I said I "HOPE" he was a scientist, but looks like he isn't. And I NEVER said he is the father of the kid.

I'm just so sad by all this. I never asked anyone to call me out. It was just my opinion, I was just stating here like everyone do. Never wanted to offend anyone by this. And I just wanted to share new information because I know you guys would like it (About the Clint cast). Well, that's just more reason for me to quit this stupid life. I'm sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: General Jurassic World 2 News Thread   Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:09 pm

Lets not bash each others opinions or start anything guys. Everyone is entitled to a say. I don't want to be that guy that calls in rules or anything.

Barry and Spino,

I think passion got the better of us all here. Everyone feels different and that's okay. I think there was maybe a better way to go around it. Perhaps a civil PM discussion might help?

If either of you wish to speak to me please feel free to PM me.

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