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PostSubject: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:20 pm

Here we can discuss about the upcoming Universal Monsterverse.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:58 pm

I wonder how through they will be in crossovers for this monster verse. I know Dr Jekyl is supposed to be in the Mummy so thats interesting

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:49 pm

Wolfman Movie Reportedly Courting Dwayne Johnson

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Although the star’s casting is far from a done deal, Universal Pictures is reportedly looking at having Dwayne Johnson headline their upcoming Wolfman movie, planned to be part of the studio’s budding cinematic Monsterverse. Deadline has the news as they also report that Johnson has another project in the works at Sony Pictures. There, Johnson is set to executive produce the contemporary Kung Fu feature Son of Shaolin.

The Mummy, set for a June 9, 2017 release, is being directed by Alex Kurtzman and features a cast that includes Tom Cruise, Sofia Boutella, Annabelle Wallis, Jake Johnson and Courtney B. Vance. It will be followed by mystery Universal Monsters movies on  April 13, 2018 and February 15, 2019. Could one of those projects be the Wolfman movie? Only time will tell.

Prisoners scribe Aaron Guzikowski is penning the Wolfman movie while Fargo executive producer Noah Hawley is said to be writing another one of the films in the series. That project is potentially The Invisible Man which, according to recent reports, will star Johnny Depp in the title role.

All the films in the series will be produced and overseen by the creative team of Alex Kurtzman and Chris Morgan.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:01 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed May 31, 2017 4:55 pm

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Dwayne Johnson & Angelina Jolie Still Rumored for Dark Universe Roles
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While I can buy Jolie as a good casting for the Bride of Frankenstein, especially since she actually does resemble Elsa Lanchester to a certain degree, I do not buy Dwayne Johnson as the Wolf Man, especially since this is a role that requires multi-layered performance, being able to sell both the man and the monster sides. The Rock is a very niche actor, in that he is hugely charismatic and humorous but I've yet to see him do brooding and sinister, and I'm not sure if those are in his wheelhouse.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed May 31, 2017 8:08 pm

Well Jolie is about Javier Bardems age so I think she could do good for the bride of frankenstein

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed May 31, 2017 10:19 pm

I have my doubts about Universal's Monsterverse. Dracula Untold was supposed to start it, but that got cut out the way 2011's Green Lanturn was supposed to start the DCMU, only for it to get cut out. The 2017 version of The Mummy, looks interesting, but I can't help but wonder if mummy movies have got old now. The reason why the Mummy movies made by Universal in the 1930's-1950's did so well was because of how Egypt was the hot thing in the world at that time. That and the Branden Frasier movies are still fairly fresh in people's minds. That and having them being used as moving targets for Lara Croft in all those Tomb Raider games doesn't help. The recent Wolfman movie was not well received.

I just think that this Monsterverse is just too constrained by the time periods that the original movies came out to work.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:20 pm

Dracula, Phantom and Hunchback Reboots Planned for “Dark Universe”
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:21 pm

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Dracula, Phantom and Hunchback Reboots Planned for “Dark Universe”
http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3440474/dracula-phantom-hunchback-reboots-planned-dark-universe/

Really unsure of how they are going to do this. For one, Hunchback has always been tied into his time period. Secondly, Hunchback never was considered a 'monster' so they might have to get real creative. Also Phantom has been considered a 'universal monster' but doesnt really have any powers or supernatural origin either...I could see the Phantom showing up later, probably as part of the monster organization, same with the Hunchback because I don't know.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:57 pm

Here's one of the reviews for The Mummy reboot.

I've seen other reviews that while not as harsh as this one, are still fairly negative.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:25 pm

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Here's one of the reviews for The Mummy reboot.

I've seen other reviews that while not as harsh as this one, are still fairly negative.

I saw one call it the worst Tom cruise film ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:37 pm

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Rhedosaurus wrote:
Here's one of the reviews for The Mummy reboot.

I've seen other reviews that while not as harsh as this one, are still fairly negative.

I saw one call it the worst Tom cruise film ever.

That may be the same one as the one that I linked to.

EDIT: The domestic box office projections have went down to $40 million to $35 million. It's going to lose to Wonder Woman by a considerable margin.

http://screenrant.com/mummy-reboot-box-office-opening/?utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&view=lista
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:13 pm

Rhedosaurus wrote:
Here's one of the reviews for The Mummy reboot.

I've seen other reviews that while not as harsh as this one, are still fairly negative.
Just saw this, too.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:17 pm

So if this fails it's pretty much time to pull a Dracula untold and start again right? Or will they give up?
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:27 pm

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So if this fails it's pretty much time to pull a Dracula untold and start again right? Or will they give up?

They may have to give up. A studio can't start again twice. Fox tried that with the Fantastic 4...and we all know what happened after the second time back in 2015.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:40 pm

yeah, I don't know...I don't see them proceeding after this failure, but who knows.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:08 pm

Be sure you guys tell me how the film is if you go see it. I was planing to see it tomorrow but I got sick. 

I know @Rhedosaurus is just dying to see it :p
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:15 pm

Rhedo's favourite spin-free movie new channel (as well as mine) tackle a Universal franchise!

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:39 pm

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Rhedo's favourite spin-free movie new channel (as well as mine) tackle a Universal franchise!


I just saw this video. I guess it's safe to say that it looks like the DCMU all over again. The main difference is that while WB HAD to make a DC superhero universe in order serve as competition for Disney/Marvel, Universal could have taken all that money and put it towards the Jurassic Park franchise after Jurassic World had been a major hit. But instead, they did...this. Two bad misfires in a row and unlike Man Of Steel, which you could argue was at least 50/50, both attempts for Universal's Monsterverse have an overwhelming majority not liking it.

If this does down in flames for good, and if Universal is unable to buy back the JP rights after the 6th JP movie, then they are in big trouble.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:00 pm

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Rhedo's favourite spin-free movie new channel (as well as mine) tackle a Universal franchise!


Such a great channel. They are supposedly doing a video on the closure of IMDB message boards in the future. Or atleast that's what the uploader keeps telling me when I ask him.

But yeah great stuff. He always lays out the history of production so well.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:25 pm

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Rhedo's favourite spin-free movie new channel (as well as mine) tackle a Universal franchise!


Such a great channel. They are supposedly doing a video on the closure of IMDB message boards in the future. Or atleast that's what the uploader keeps telling me when I ask him.

But yeah great stuff. He always lays out the history of production so well.


Are you part of their Facebook page as well. If not, then join ASAP. Me and Barry are part of it as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:30 am

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I just saw this video. I guess it's safe to say that it looks like the DCMU all over again. The main difference is that while WB HAD to make a DC superhero universe in order serve as competition for Disney/Marvel, Universal could have taken all that money and put it towards the Jurassic Park franchise after Jurassic World had been a major hit. But instead, they did...this. Two bad misfires in a row and unlike Man Of Steel, which you could argue was at least 50/50, both attempts for Universal's Monsterverse have an overwhelming majority not liking it.

If this does down in flames for good, and if Universal is unable to buy back the JP rights after the 6th JP movie, then they are in big trouble.

At least with the DC Movie Universe, there was enough goodwill built from people who genuinely liked Man of Steel for Warner Bros to keep going, and earned nearly $670 Million worldwide, a considerable improvement over Superman Returns. Batman v Superman (Theatrical Cut) and Suicide Squad (both cuts) were painful setbacks, but the interest for Wonder Woman had at least increased in the intervening years, and Ben Affleck's Batman was one of the most praised aspects of that film.

The debate over the quality of Zack Snyder's two DC films and the videos and essays on both sides of the debate kept them from being forgotten about. Naturally, none of the Universal Monsters had that going for them before or after release. Ultimately, I at least get the sense that Warner Bros are trying to better themselves and better their DC movie output and now they have a movie that's a real game changer for the genre, while Universal just went through a checklist of "cinematic universe" requirements and went through it with all the mechanical grace of an assembly line.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:34 pm

Im not sure how they can continue, with how badly this movie was received. What I heard about the end and about the Prodigium organization makes me worry they might try to make the movie a bit avenger lite. I mean have main monster villains but also have an army of 'good' monsters to fight them.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:17 pm

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Im not sure how they can continue, with how badly this movie was received. What I heard about the end and about the Prodigium organization makes me worry they might try to make the movie a bit avenger lite. I mean have main monster villains but also have an army of 'good' monsters to fight them.

That wouldn't work at all. No. And even if the international market gives this movie a profit, it still wouldn't be able to guarantee a sequel. The Last Airbender, Battleship, Dracula Untold-which was originally supposed to start this in the first place-, Warcraft, etc. All made a profit thanks to international markets, yet none of them got a sequel.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:37 pm

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Im not sure how they can continue, with how badly this movie was received. What I heard about the end and about the Prodigium organization makes me worry they might try to make the movie a bit avenger lite. I mean have main monster villains but also have an army of 'good' monsters to fight them.

That wouldn't work at all. No. And even if the international market gives this movie a profit, it still wouldn't be able to guarantee a sequel. The Last Airbender, Battleship, Dracula Untold-which was originally supposed to start this in the first place-, Warcraft, etc. All made a profit thanks to international markets, yet none of them got a sequel.

Im just saying according to what happens in the end.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:53 pm

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Im not sure how they can continue, with how badly this movie was received. What I heard about the end and about the Prodigium organization makes me worry they might try to make the movie a bit avenger lite. I mean have main monster villains but also have an army of 'good' monsters to fight them.

That wouldn't work at all. No. And even if the international market gives this movie a profit, it still wouldn't be able to guarantee a sequel. The Last Airbender, Battleship, Dracula Untold-which was originally supposed to start this in the first place-, Warcraft, etc. All made a profit thanks to international markets, yet none of them got a sequel.

Im just saying according to what happens in the end.

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But how many movies can Universal make until they lose money? Not only that, but unlike superhero movies, which have heroes/heroines that are timeless, most of these old monsters are very much products of the 1930's and 1940's. and we might as well throw in Halloween too. I heard that Bride Of Frankenstein is starting to get made, if it does, then the law of diminishing returns is not in it's favor.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:07 pm

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Im not sure how they can continue, with how badly this movie was received. What I heard about the end and about the Prodigium organization makes me worry they might try to make the movie a bit avenger lite. I mean have main monster villains but also have an army of 'good' monsters to fight them.

That wouldn't work at all. No. And even if the international market gives this movie a profit, it still wouldn't be able to guarantee a sequel. The Last Airbender, Battleship, Dracula Untold-which was originally supposed to start this in the first place-, Warcraft, etc. All made a profit thanks to international markets, yet none of them got a sequel.

Im just saying according to what happens in the end.

Spoiler:
 

But how many movies can Universal make until they lose money? Not only that, but unlike superhero movies, which have heroes/heroines that are timeless, most of these old monsters are very much products of the 1930's and 1940's. and we might as well throw in Halloween too. I heard that Bride Of Frankenstein is starting to get made, if it does, then the law of diminishing returns is not in it's favor.  

Yeah, and the whole trying to force hunchback of notre dame and phantom of the opera into it really has me confused as well for what they are trying to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:33 pm

It looks like Tom Cruise tried to save The Mummy reboot.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:41 pm

This is what happens when you give the writers of Transformers 2 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 the keys to the Universal Monsters franchise. At least Stephen Sommers had some semblance of a good track record before pitching his re-imagined Mummy movie to Universal

"A studio such as Universal, which reaped a fortune from rebooting a classic movie like Jurassic Park with Jurassic World should know better."

Well for starters, Jurassic World did not exist to kickstart an entire cinematic universe and functioned as both a standalone sci-fi monster/adventure film and a sequel to the original classic. Because the first film (and subsequent franchise built around it from sequels to games) had become so beloved, jettisoning all that would have certainly have alienated fans. It was a "soft-reboot" in the same sense that The Force Awakens brought back the Star Wars saga in a big way. Unfortunately, even if Universal did try to make this new Mummy movie a belated sequel to the Brendan Fraser movies it would have not felt the same because the quality of the production on each film declined with each film.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:12 am

Another huge problem here is that nobody was asking for mummy Impossible. Nobody.

Why couldn't it have been a lower budget film with more emphasis on actual tension and scares? I mean I didn't expect it to be the most terrifying thing ever with a hard R but come on.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:44 am

I still say that minus the truck crash part, all the scenes of Cruise in the van being chased look like they ripped it straight out of Jurassic World, but with Mummy's instead of raptors. There's the Mummy's next to the van, even one that bursts through a window and scares the female lead. Haven't actually seen the film though.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:18 pm

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The Universal Monsterverse cast photo was photoshopped.

Oh wow thats...just beyond embarrassing.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:46 pm

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The Universal Monsterverse cast photo was photoshopped.

Oh wow thats...just beyond embarrassing.

It kind of reminds me of how the cast of Fant4stic was cut out of the one shot of Fox's Marvelverse cast. But at least that happened after Fant4stic bombed. This happened before The Mummy was released.

This is a bad omen...Not even the DCMU had this rough a start. And even after BvS and Suicide Squad, people still wanted it to succeed. Thankfully, Wonder Woman was a great start that finally gave fans true optimism and hope. With Universal's monsterverse, I don't see that many people caring about these movies anywhere near as much.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:01 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:44 am

The Mummy is going to be cost Universal $95 million dollars.

This is even worse the Dracula: Untold. At least that movie made triple it's budget and made a small profit. Not even the DCMU had this bad a start.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:31 pm

Was watching the Brendan Fraser Mummy the other night, and I just love that movie to pieces. It's not just the nostalgia talking, either. I first saw the movie in the basement of my uncle's house, and I remember watching the credits in anticipation of one more good jump scare. The movie has a perfect blend of horror, action, and fun. Sure, it's cheesy as Wisconsin, but that adds to its appeal in the same way the cheese adds to Independence Day's appeal. I haven't seen the new Mummy, but everything I've heard about it thus far tells me all I need to know. It's a shallow attempt as resurrecting a classic that nobody wanted.

In the early days of the MCU, before there really WAS an MCU or a DCMU, and there were just a handful of unconnected Marvel movies... Iron Man, Spider-Man, X-Men, you could really tell that studios weren't entirely sure this thing would take off. They had no idea comic book movies could have a demand. They simply saw a well proven idea, and wanted to see if they could replicate that success on the big screen. These early movies started out very conservatively made. Plot not too complicated, costumes never very exotic, just the simple Spider-Man vs Green Goblin, X-Men vs Magneto and the Brotherhood. The writers never bogged the films down with unnecessary connections. They never made distinctions between villains unless they absolutely needed to. The costume designers made sure to keep it grounded and realistic. Black leather flight suits instead of yellow and blue spandex, classic red and blue spidey-suit, sans web gauntlets and armpit webbing. They tied in the Green Goblin with military application, instead of a madman's odd lunacy. They made the Goblin costume look like armor instead of tights and didn't give him a broomstick. Instead of a mystical Chinese warlord forcing Tony Stark to create Iron Man, it was the Taliban that acted as the catalyst. In 2008, the Taliban and other Middle Eastern terrorist groups were as much a threat, if not moreso, to America as they are today. In a word, those early super-hero movies were simple. The idea that there could be an CU didn't really arise in the public's mind until after the credits rolled on Iron Man.

Fast foreward to today: the MCU is a HUGE success, perhaps the most successful brands after Star Wars. Every kid in the country knows who Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, the Incredible Hulk, Black Widow, the Falcon, Ant-Man, and so many other are. Even if they never picked up a comic book in their life. Many of Marvel's best have moved from obscurity to fan favorites. But Marvel took their time. They went with the big names first, then moved into the more obscure figures. They took their time. They planned it out. They created an MCU carefully and planned it out years ahead. Then the DCMU came crashing in. They wanted everything right now. No time for planning, they had to play catch up to Marvel and get on the wagon before it was too late. Whereas DC usually has only showcased Batman and Superman in their movies, now they had to introduce not only obscure characters, but characters who hadn't been popular in moving pictures in decades, like Wonder Woman. They stumbled the first couple tries because they tried throwing everything in at once, instead of the characters coming one at a time. They didn't craft it carefully like Marvel did, and they suffered for it. They introduced obscure characters like the Suicide Squad and tried replicating Guardians of the Galaxy with it. They simply didn't know what they wanted from it, and tried getting complicated with it to compete with Marvel's built up universe.

Now, everybody wants a CU. Universal with their horror classics, Fox with Terminator, Sony with Ghostbusters, and they're all failing miserably because they think that just because the idea of a CU is proven, they don't have to do the hard work in setting it up. Heck, New Line Cinema has made a better CU than all those studios put together with their The Conjuring Universe, and they didn't even intend on it becoming one. Now they have 2 spin offs coming, with one successful one already out along side 2 main movies and a third on the way. And they did it by making quality, not quantity. The Conjuring are good, scary movies, with the rewatch value of The Shining or Halloween, simply because they put so much effort into it, you notice new things each time you watch it, and it always manages to remain legitimately scary. THAT'S what Universal should have done. They should have forgone the levity and action of the MCU and DCMU, and all the other studio's failed attempts, and made their horror icons what they are: horror. Nobody wants to see The Mummy looking hot walking down a London street, smashing every window on the way. They want to see this:

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:33 pm

I just think that many/most of the old monsters are too much of a product of their times. You can do a realistic Dracula movie since he was a real person. The 1992 movie made by Francis Ford Coppola is proof of it. To this day, it's not only my favorite horror movie, but one of my personal all time favorites. Wolfman and The Creature From The Black Lagoon might work, but only as DNA splicing experiments gone wrong. Other then those 3, I don't see how these monsters can work in a modern day setting.
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