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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:07 pm

The Mummy will be released on digital on August 22 and on home video on September 12.

Get the coffin ready. RIP Dark Universe.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:34 pm

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The Mummy will be released on digital on August 22 and on home video on September 12.

Get the coffin ready. RIP Dark Universe.

WOW that's quick. Meanwhile guardians of the galaxy still showing at my theater today and came out May 5th i think.

Not trying to start a fanboy war just stating how terrible Mummy is doing compared to other blockbusters. I wonder if they will try to start over? Because guardians and WW ate this "universe" movie alive faster than a zombie.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:23 pm

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The Mummy will be released on digital on August 22 and on home video on September 12.

Get the coffin ready. RIP Dark Universe.

WOW that's quick. Meanwhile guardians of the galaxy still showing at my theater today and came out May 5th i think.

Not trying to start a fanboy war just stating how terrible Mummy is doing compared to other blockbusters. I wonder if they will try to start over? Because guardians and WW ate this "universe" movie alive faster than a zombie.

Good luck with that. This was supposed to start it after Dracula: Untold failed and was rendered into being a standalone movie. It's a lot like how Green Lantern was supposed to start the DCMU but failed and Man Of Steel did...Not that it was that much better, mind you.

Besides, other then Spider Man, how many things have been rebooted/remade multiple times successfully? Very few. Just look at Fox with the Fantastic 4. The unreleased Roger Corman one is still the best after all this time and the most recent one, Fant4stic turned out to be one of the worst, if not THE worst, superhero movies to have ever been made. Also, look at all the movie adaptations of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novel 'The Lost World'. It's been 92 years since the original 1925 version came out, and it's STILL the best movie adaptation. I have the Image Entertainment version, which has 90% of the original footage, and despite it's age, it's a great movie.

Not only that, but does anybody think that DVD/Blu Ray sales will save it/give The Mummy a fighting chance like Power Rangers 2017 got with good toy/DVD sales? I don't.


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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:27 pm

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The Mummy will be released on digital on August 22 and on home video on September 12.

Get the coffin ready. RIP Dark Universe.

WOW that's quick. Meanwhile guardians of the galaxy still showing at my theater today and came out May 5th i think.

Not trying to start a fanboy war just stating how terrible Mummy is doing compared to other blockbusters. I wonder if they will try to start over? Because guardians and WW ate this "universe" movie alive faster than a zombie.

Good luck with that. This was supposed to start it after Dracula: Untold failed and was rendered into being a standalone movie. It's a lot like how Green Lantern was supposed to start the DCMU but failed and Man Of Steel did...Not that it was that much better, mind you.

Besides, other then Spider Man, how many things have been rebooted/remade multiple times successfully? Just look at Fox with the Fantastic 4. Also, look at all the movie adaptations of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novel 'The Lost World'. It's been 92 years since the original 1925 version came out, and it's STILL, the best movie adaptation made. Even with all the other movie adaptations that came afterwords. Not only that, but does anybody think that DVD/Blu Ray sales will save it/give it a fighting chance like Power Rangers 2017 got with good toy/DVD sales? I don't.

I agree with you. But I don't think they should totally give up yet.

I don't think they are planning this monsterverse thing well at all. They need to take a long step back and really evaluate if they can make a good universe with good films. Personally I believe they can do it right. But they need careful planning and a lot of talent. Make it lower budget, rated R and more horror focused.

After Dracula untold you think they would have learned but they did not. I have no idea why they thought mummy impossible would be a good idea.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:36 pm

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Rhedosaurus wrote:
Troyal1 wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
The Mummy will be released on digital on August 22 and on home video on September 12.

Get the coffin ready. RIP Dark Universe.

WOW that's quick. Meanwhile guardians of the galaxy still showing at my theater today and came out May 5th i think.

Not trying to start a fanboy war just stating how terrible Mummy is doing compared to other blockbusters. I wonder if they will try to start over? Because guardians and WW ate this "universe" movie alive faster than a zombie.

Good luck with that. This was supposed to start it after Dracula: Untold failed and was rendered into being a standalone movie. It's a lot like how Green Lantern was supposed to start the DCMU but failed and Man Of Steel did...Not that it was that much better, mind you.

Besides, other then Spider Man, how many things have been rebooted/remade multiple times successfully? Just look at Fox with the Fantastic 4. Also, look at all the movie adaptations of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novel 'The Lost World'. It's been 92 years since the original 1925 version came out, and it's STILL, the best movie adaptation made. Even with all the other movie adaptations that came afterwords. Not only that, but does anybody think that DVD/Blu Ray sales will save it/give it a fighting chance like Power Rangers 2017 got with good toy/DVD sales? I don't.

I agree with you. But I don't think they should totally give up yet.

I don't think they are planning this monsterverse thing well at all. They need to take a long step back and really evaluate if they can make a good universe with good films. Personally I believe they can do it right. But they need careful planning and a lot of talent. Make it lower budget, rated R and more horror focused.

After Dracula untold you think they would have learned but they did not. I have no idea why they thought mummy impossible would be a good idea.

Here's the thing. The Mummy will lose Universal money. Man Of Steel, for all its faults-which are huge-at least made a respectable profit. Besides, the last time I checked, Bride Of Frankenstein is already stating to be made.

I still think that most of these old monsters are too much of products of their time. Other then Dracula, who was actually a real-life person, I don't see many monsters that can stand up to modern day times. Maybe Wolfman and Creature From The Black Lagoon as DNA experiments/gene splicing test subjects gone wrong, but even then, you'd have be very careful with that.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:25 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:24 pm

Dead2009 wrote:
Universal’s Van Helsing Reboot Eyes Channing Tatum
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/872025-universals-van-helsing-reboot-eyes-channing-tatum#vJyVpAvHbdHzb5BI.99

I never thought I'd say this, but... bring Stephen Sommers and Hugh Jackman back!!

I know that's as good as impossible at that stage, but at least I bought Jackman as a tortured and brutal hunter of monsters - Tatum doesn't fit that outline in the slightest.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:43 pm

BarrytheOnyx wrote:
Dead2009 wrote:
Universal’s Van Helsing Reboot Eyes Channing Tatum
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/872025-universals-van-helsing-reboot-eyes-channing-tatum#vJyVpAvHbdHzb5BI.99

I never thought I'd say this, but... bring Stephen Sommers and Hugh Jackman back!!

I know that's as good as impossible at that stage, but at least I bought Jackman as a tortured and brutal hunter of monsters - Tatum doesn't fit that outline in the slightest.

And this is even considering that it even gets made. So far, The Mummy has only made $390 million and only $79 million of it came domestically. How can Universal justify this movie? Better yet, I think that Bride Of Frankenstein is getting started to be made and based on this and the performance of Dracula: Untold...yeah. It's going to be a very hard sell.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:44 pm

It looks like the director of the failed Mummy reboot might not be staying long with the Dark Universe.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:08 pm

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It looks like the director of the failed Mummy reboot might not be staying long with the Dark Universe.

Perhaps it's because the universe won't exist at all? Just throwing that out there.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:28 pm

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Rhedosaurus wrote:
It looks like the director of the failed Mummy reboot might not be staying long with the Dark Universe.

Perhaps it's because the universe won't exist at all? Just throwing that out there.

At least not as long as Universal want's it to. Bride Of Frankenstein is starting to get made, but considering how bad The Mummy did, not to mention Dracula: Untold as well, it's going to be very hard to justify this cinematic universe if BOF underperforms as well. At least with the DCMU, their movies have managed to make a profit. And Wonder Woman has turned out to be a good movie as well. The Dark Universe can't claim either of those.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:39 pm

Crap.....The Mummy reboot made $400 million which may be enough to justify a sequel.

I still say that Universal should have used all this money to make an animated series that tied in to original trilogy with this new one.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:12 pm

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Crap.....The Mummy reboot made $400 million which may be enough to justify a sequel.

I still say that Universal should have used all this money to make an animated series that tied in to original trilogy with this new one.

You and me both man... honestly if the argument of box office strength and public interest equal to the franchise you want to invest most in, then the Universal Monsters catalogue is too far down the ladder. Jurassic Park isn't cinematic universe material, but it's worth far more to Universal right now than their classic monsters are. They've had all these chances since The Mummy and they've blown them every single time. If they struck while the iron was still hot from Van Helsing (comparatively speaking) then maybe it'd be a different story.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:56 pm

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Rhedosaurus wrote:
Crap.....The Mummy reboot made $400 million which may be enough to justify a sequel.

I still say that Universal should have used all this money to make an animated series that tied in to original trilogy with this new one.

You and me both man... honestly if the argument of box office strength and public interest equal to the franchise you want to invest most in, then the Universal Monsters catalogue is too far down the ladder. Jurassic Park isn't cinematic universe material, but it's worth far more to Universal right now than their classic monsters are. They've had all these chances since The Mummy and they've blown them every single time. If they struck while the iron was still hot from Van Helsing (comparatively speaking) then maybe it'd be a different story.

I just think that this is a sign of 3 things.

1. Just how out of touch Universal really is.

2. How little they care about the JP franchise. How they really never cared since The Lost World, how it's been at the mercy of the directors (J.A. Bayona, the animatronics, and nostalgia/childhood love of dinosaurs are the main reasons I'm seeing JW:FK at this point) and writers since, and how much missed opportunities they have, etc.

3. How so little people care about the old Universal monsters. Other then Dracula, who was actually a real-life person, I just think that these Universal monsters are just products of their time.That and with the Tomb Raider and Castlevainia video game franchises, did we really need the Dark Universe anyway? I say no.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:28 pm

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BarrytheOnyx wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
Crap.....The Mummy reboot made $400 million which may be enough to justify a sequel.

I still say that Universal should have used all this money to make an animated series that tied in to original trilogy with this new one.

You and me both man... honestly if the argument of box office strength and public interest equal to the franchise you want to invest most in, then the Universal Monsters catalogue is too far down the ladder. Jurassic Park isn't cinematic universe material, but it's worth far more to Universal right now than their classic monsters are. They've had all these chances since The Mummy and they've blown them every single time. If they struck while the iron was still hot from Van Helsing (comparatively speaking) then maybe it'd be a different story.

I just think that this is a sign of 3 things.

1. Just how out of touch Universal really is.

2. How little they care about the JP franchise. How they really never cared since The Lost World, how it's been at the mercy of the directors (J.A. Bayona, the animatronics, and nostalgia/childhood love of dinosaurs are the main reasons I'm seeing JW:FK at this point) and writers since, and how much missed opportunities they have, etc.

3. How so little people care about the old Universal monsters. Other then Dracula, who was actually a real-life person, I just think that these Universal monsters are just products of their time.That and with the Tomb Raider and Castlevainia video game franchises, did we really need the Dark Universe anyway? I say no.

(Disclaimer: Not really Dark Universe related, but more Universal/JP related tangent to follow)

While I agree with points 1 and 3 especially, since Universal should stop throwing money at the Dark Universe, I think it's debatable that they don't care at all about the JP franchise. I do think they have been greatly underestimating it for a long time now, but if they really didn't care then the director of the fifth film would have been another director for hire along the lines of Robert Stromberg (from Maleficent) or Alan Taylor. Ironically, its that kind of apathy that's more on display in Alex Kurtzman's take on The Mummy that really undid that movie from top to bottom. Especially since the man is far more known for his sloppy scripts than any kind of directing skills.

In all honesty, based on what we have been seeing about JW: Fallen Kingdom, I'm starting to believe that they aren't taking the route many of us feared they would, i.e. militarized dinosaurs, and could be going somewhere more akin to the Crichton books. Plus Bayona's set of skills are very well tailored to this kind of story and could make the more outlandish elements work better than the previous film. Plus the fact that we ARE getting a park builder game to coincide with the release of JW:FK is to me another indication that they're taking the hint, and if this proves to be a hit with the fans then it will be because they tapped into what would resonate with their audience and have more confidence in the franchise as a result. If all this optimism on my part proves in vain, at least they will have done SOMETHING more ambitious than a bunch of mobile games and the Lego game.

Yes, we still lack those much-talked about comics and an animated series or some kind of bridge story to really shore up connections between JP3 and JW. However, with the acquisition of DreamWorks Animation and all of their TV shows, they now have the assets to follow through with that, but these things do take time.
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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:58 pm

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Rhedosaurus wrote:
BarrytheOnyx wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
Crap.....The Mummy reboot made $400 million which may be enough to justify a sequel.

I still say that Universal should have used all this money to make an animated series that tied in to original trilogy with this new one.

You and me both man... honestly if the argument of box office strength and public interest equal to the franchise you want to invest most in, then the Universal Monsters catalogue is too far down the ladder. Jurassic Park isn't cinematic universe material, but it's worth far more to Universal right now than their classic monsters are. They've had all these chances since The Mummy and they've blown them every single time. If they struck while the iron was still hot from Van Helsing (comparatively speaking) then maybe it'd be a different story.

I just think that this is a sign of 3 things.

1. Just how out of touch Universal really is.

2. How little they care about the JP franchise. How they really never cared since The Lost World, how it's been at the mercy of the directors (J.A. Bayona, the animatronics, and nostalgia/childhood love of dinosaurs are the main reasons I'm seeing JW:FK at this point) and writers since, and how much missed opportunities they have, etc.

3. How so little people care about the old Universal monsters. Other then Dracula, who was actually a real-life person, I just think that these Universal monsters are just products of their time.That and with the Tomb Raider and Castlevainia video game franchises, did we really need the Dark Universe anyway? I say no.

(Disclaimer: Not really Dark Universe related, but more Universal/JP related tangent to follow)

While I agree with points 1 and 3 especially, since Universal should stop throwing money at the Dark Universe, I think it's debatable that they don't care at all about the JP franchise. I do think they have been greatly underestimating it for a long time now, but if they really didn't care then the director of the fifth film would have been another director for hire along the lines of Robert Stromberg (from Maleficent) or Alan Taylor. Ironically, its that kind of apathy that's more on display in Alex Kurtzman's take on The Mummy that really undid that movie from top to bottom. Especially since the man is far more known for his sloppy scripts than any kind of directing skills.

In all honesty, based on what we have been seeing about JW: Fallen Kingdom, I'm starting to believe that they aren't taking the route many of us feared they would, i.e. militarized dinosaurs, and could be going somewhere more akin to the Crichton books. Plus Bayona's set of skills are very well tailored to this kind of story and could make the more outlandish elements work better than the previous film. Plus the fact that we ARE getting a park builder game to coincide with the release of JW:FK is to me another indication that they're taking the hint, and if this proves to be a hit with the fans then it will be because they tapped into what would resonate with their audience and have more confidence in the franchise as a result. If all this optimism on my part proves in vain, at least they will have done SOMETHING more ambitious than a bunch of mobile games and the Lego game.

Yes, we still lack those much-talked about comics and an animated series or some kind of bridge story to really shore up connections between JP3 and JW. However, with the acquisition of DreamWorks Animation and all of their TV shows, they now have the assets to follow through with that, but these things do take time.

You could be right. It's just that I'm starting to see the JP franchise as one where so much potential was either wasted/unused and it may not get as larger as it is now. I talked about this with Ty here and he felt the same way I did. The only way how I see things changing is if the rights go to another studio all fixes the canon by either making said wanted animated series, movies that tie the trilogies together, or both.

TBH, I'm starting to think that after all that were to happen, that the only way how JP can ever reach the height it was really meant to be is if after all the canon holes are filled, that the franchise gets remade outright.

And I agree with you on Van Helsing. Yes, it probably would have devolved into something stupid, but at least it would have been fun.

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PostSubject: Re: Universal's MONSTERVERSE Thread   Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:50 pm

For those who care, The Mummy (2017) came out on DVD earlier this week, Tuesday I think.
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