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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:19 am

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I like the idea behind the poster: the image of a soldier atop a giant skull while facing up against the enormous Kong is striking imagery, invoking Jurassic Park in a good way.

But, and please tell me if this is weird or not, but why is the flare light green? It kind of takes away from the image for me, you have this foggy, natural aesthetic and then this lime green that doesn't gel well with it's surroundings.

Because if it was red it would be plagiarism to a Jurassic World scene Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:13 pm

Not meaning to double post, but it's here!!! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:15 pm

Kong looks so massive! But I dont think this Kong is 30 m tall. He is much taller!
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:05 pm

Yeah, I'm not digging it so far. I didn't like the way it sounded before the trailer and this sort of confirms that this isn't going to be my cup of tea. It doesn't look terrible, and my opinion may change with new information or trailers, but it's not very King Kong-ish and there is something just really off about how everything looks.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:20 pm

Also I notice some shots are from the same locations of Jurassic Park-World. Look 1:21-1:24 its the same forest where Chopper was chasing Indominus.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:53 am

As a monster/adventure movie, it looks awesome! Love the cinematography, direction, locations, cast.
As a Kong movie, I think this trailer confirms that the best King Kong movie will still remain Peter Jackson's one. I prefer his vision of the ape, being an actual animal, and not a monster.
But I understand that this new film wants to show Kong as a monster, so I'm still very excited to see this movie. Also, I hope they show dinosaurs!
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:30 am

I got some strange vibes from the trailer, like that 90s tv show of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Tlw and Primal Rage combined. Not a real fan of how Kong is essentially standing on two legs looking more like Bigfoot than a gorilla but perhaps that's what they were going for. I can see the appeal but it's not my cup of tea. Peter Jackson's King Kong will always be my favorite I believe.

On a side note, how is this Kong avoiding detection for so long? He seems absolutely massive, dwarfing everything on the island. Where can he hide?
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:32 pm

Finally! King Kong standing on two legs again! Just like the old Kong films. IMO all the live action Kong films are good to guilty pleasures. Top 3 favorite ones are King Kong (1976) and (2005) plus King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962).
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:01 pm

I'm kinda creeped out by Kong standing on two legs. Yeah he did it in Kong vs Godzilla and the earlier kaiju films but I'm more used to Jackson's Kong. When they did that pan up shot with him standing in the river I thought it was a person for a few seconds lol.

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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:19 pm

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I'm kinda creeped out by Kong standing on two legs. Yeah he did it in Kong vs Godzilla and the earlier kaiju films but I'm more used to Jackson's Kong. When they did that pan up shot with him standing in the river I thought it was a person for a few seconds lol.
I feel like the only one who likes and is more used to classic looking Kong lol. Have you seen the original Kong vs. Godzilla? Kong in that film is terrifying.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:03 pm

I don't think a upright bigfoot-esque King Kong works with the type of tone they seem to be going for, it comes off as really silly. To me, if have the ability to make a realistic looking ape through motion capture like we have with modern technology, then you should go with that.

Rewatching the trailer though, I do have to say that I like the color grading and cinematography, but everything else in this movie is looking pretty subpar in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:45 pm

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A giant normal-looking gorilla isn't horrifying at all. A giant man-like ape however is horrifying and evokes memories of stuff like the Colossus of Rhodes.
100% agree. The 2005 film was more about crying then screaming and I love the 2005 film but Kong was created to be a monster. And the trailer feels like a movie that's set in the world of Godzilla, which this film is.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:25 pm

@Mysterious Hero M wrote:
A giant normal-looking gorilla isn't horrifying at all. A giant man-like ape however is horrifying and evokes memories of stuff like the Colossus of Rhodes.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. It worked for the original film and King Kong Vs. Godzilla because of the time period, but this is all I see with this new one.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:14 pm

I just love the tone that the movie has. More monster feeling. I love the 1933 film and Peter Jackson version, this one was my main artistic inspiration to drawn dinosaurs. But the thing I dont like from Jackson version is how Kong was humanized. Kong from 1933 was more realisitic in behaviour, he wasnt really in "love" for me. He was acting like a child that want that "toy".
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:51 pm

Supposedly this movie won't even have dinosaurs at all which is kind of putting me off.

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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:41 pm

@Sickle_Claw wrote:
Supposedly this movie won't even have dinosaurs at all which is kind of putting me off.

Who said that? Was it the director, the producer, or one of the cast members?

We saw that bone yard filled with skeletons of other members of Kong's species (or so we supposed, before it was revealed just how massive Kong is) and most importantly in one shot a scene with Hiddleston firing his gun from the frill of a Triceratops. And the thing is the dinosaurs must be living on the island because those bones would not only not be there if they weren't, but they wouldn't look so fresh, like they'd only had all the flesh rotted away. Plus, who would the Marines be firing at if not dinosaurs, they can't be natives.

As for why we haven't seen live dinos, maybe it's like the Pteranodon situation in the Jurassic World teaser, they weren't added in until later. Maybe they're still working on the VFX to look Oscar worthy. It is disappointing that we didn't get any concrete evidence of dinosaurs, but I would not rule them out completely just yet.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:06 pm

@BarrytheOnyx wrote:
@Sickle_Claw wrote:
Supposedly this movie won't even have dinosaurs at all which is kind of putting me off.

Who said that? Was it the director, the producer, or one of the cast members?

We saw that bone yard filled with skeletons of other members of Kong's species (or so we supposed, before it was revealed just how massive Kong is) and most importantly in one shot a scene with Hiddleston firing his gun from the frill of a Triceratops. And the thing is the dinosaurs must be living on the island because those bones would not only not be there if they weren't, but they wouldn't look so fresh, like they'd only had all the flesh rotted away. Plus, who would the Marines be firing at if not dinosaurs, they can't be natives.

As for why we haven't seen live dinos, maybe it's like the Pteranodon situation in the Jurassic World teaser, they weren't added in until later. Maybe they're still working on the VFX to look Oscar worthy. It is disappointing that we didn't get any concrete evidence of dinosaurs, but I would not rule them out completely just yet.

A writer for Empire Magazine said that. (And his magazine has an exclusive set visit that will be published next month)

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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:43 pm

I hope at least we will have some living dinosaurs like the T-rex fight! Its strange that we have dinosaurs bones when there are no dinosaurs. I remember the last year Hiddelston mentioned before shoots, there will be giant bugs and a t-rex fight. I hope this wont be like the 70s version...I hate that film
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:15 am

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I hope at least we will have some living dinosaurs like the T-rex fight! Its strange that we have dinosaurs bones when there are no dinosaurs. I remember the last year Hiddelston mentioned before shoots, there will be giant bugs and a t-rex fight. I hope this wont be like the 70s version...I hate that film
Not going to lie, that's my favorite King Kong film and one of my top three favorite films of all time. Still tear up over it's ending more than the 2005 film's ending. So I'm fine without dinosaurs in this Kong film. Oh and the original Kong vs. Godzilla didn't have dinosaurs.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:13 pm

No retrosaurs in the Kong movie? Why not just name it Attack of the 50ft Ape? I mean, what's the point of having an entire movie dedicated to Skull Island and not have dinosaurs in it.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:09 pm

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No retrosaurs in the Kong movie? Why not just name it Attack of the 50ft Ape? I mean, what's the point of having an entire movie dedicated to Skull Island and not have dinosaurs in it.

Precisely!! And this movie has a $190 million budget, $40 million more than Jurassic World, which arguably used more CGI for creating digital landscapes than this movie did! I get that this has a bigger all-star cast than Jurassic World, but I refuse to believe that there are no dinos/retrosaurs in this film until someone comes out and says it. And effectively shoot themselves in the foot.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:06 pm

Well this Kong film isn't an remake of the 1933 classic, it's an "original" story that is about King Kong, it doesn't need dinosaurs. Besides, look how tall Kong is in this film, a fight would require there be an 100 foot T.rex to battle Kong.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:17 pm

It's a movie about Skull Island. Not having dinosaurs would be like Star Wars with only humans.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:33 pm

@CT-1138 wrote:
It's a movie about Skull Island. Not having dinosaurs would be like Star Wars with only humans.
Would you want super sized dinosaurs? Yes, the movie will include Skull Island but from the trailer I got the impression the movie is more about Kong. And I know I've mentioned it before but the 1976 and 1986 and the Toho 1962 and 1967 films didn't at all featured dinosaurs. Kong can make this movie fun all by himself.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:10 pm

King Kong, the original and Jackson's film, was very much a Lost World-type move as much as it was about a giant monster. So, if you're going to name your movie 'Kong: Skull Island' then I'm going to expect a cool Skull Island. No dinosaurs, in my opinion, makes Skull Island a whole lot more uninteresting.

What it seems like in the trailer is that the island is mostly desolate, most of the larger animals dying probably due to Kong's huge size and there simply not being enough room on the island for all of them. That'd be an interesting idea to explore, but I kind of doubt that's where they're going.

EDIT: Also, King Kong Vs. Godzilla DID have a dinosaur. It was Godzilla.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:12 pm

If there are dinosaurs in Kong: Skull Island then great, the more films with dinosaurs the better. But serously, will there be an 100 foot Tyrannosaurus Rex vs. King Kong fight?
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:14 pm

No, but there could be some great dino-action between soldiers and dinos. The formula of the original was the characters going through a series of dinosaur encounters on their way to rescue Ann Darrow, Peter Jackson's is the same way (I haven't seen the 70s version, but I did see King Kong Vs Godzilla). Its huge part of what makes them great.

I'm not saying they 'need' the dinosaurs, but it does feel like a huge waste of potential.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:56 pm

Also guys, apparently the newest issue of Empire magazine answers the 'no dinos' debate in its latest issue but no one can find scans of the issue so far.

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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:20 pm

I like the giant spider but we definitely need Dinosaurs
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:10 pm

I read in Toho Kingdom maybe...there is a humanoid ceratopsian like Armadon. Also I saw the size of ceratopsian is much bigger.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Mon Aug 01, 2016 12:37 pm

Sorry for the double post but I found an interview of Kong Cast and Director revealing some facts.

- Goodman character is Bill Randa, he reveals he is working for a US goverment secret agency: Monarch Agent confirmed
-Director revealed the story wont be the beauty and the beast and Im really happy for this! Kong for me in the original never fall in love.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:59 am

Interesting that they decided to go with an early sixties aesthetic.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:33 am

Guys the Map of the Island!
http://www.scified.com/news/kong-skull-island-promotion-spotted-at-new-york-comic-con-monarch-confirmed
Interesting the message. Many references to the mesopotamian mythology. If the creature are mentioning is Humbaba, the guardian demigod from Cedar Forest? remember months ago in the vietnam filming, they mentioned aliens and river monsters.
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:27 pm

Henry Jackman to score Kong: Skull Island

Hmmm, I'm really not sure about Henry Jackman scoring Kong: Skull Island. As a composer, the only score of his I've really liked was X-Men: First Class, and his Captain America scores while okay are not a patch on Alan Silvestri's classical score for The First Avenger. Even other films that he's scored that I have seen, they very rarely stand out to me.

It's also a bit of a step down from Alexandre Desplat's amazing score for Godzilla and it's hard to see the new score comparing James Newton Howard's fantastically heartfelt score for Peter Jackson's King Kong. Even more so considering these are meant to be in the same cinematic universe, where Godzilla's orchestral score lent credence to the size and power of the giant monsters at hand. But with that said, I have been proven wrong before and I would gladly eat crow if Jackman delivers a truly excellent score that matches the mood of the film and gives me an enjoyable listening experience.

How about you guys? Do you have reservations or cautious optimism regarding Henry Jackman as the composer for Kong Skull Island?
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:40 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this originally supposed to be a prequel? I know that a "KK vs. G" reboot is coming, but is this get turned into a sequel to the 2005 movie so that it can also be a lead in to the reboot?
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PostSubject: Re: The King Kong thread   Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:50 pm

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this originally supposed to be a prequel? I know that a "KK vs. G" reboot is coming, but is this get turned into a sequel to the 2005 movie so that it can also be a lead in to the reboot?

It might have been as far back as 2013 or 2014 that Universal and Legendary were considering an adaptation of the "Kong: King of Skull Island" comic series, and tying it to the 2005 film as a prequel, but those plans fell through when Legendary wanted the new King Kong to be connected to Godzilla so they moved from Universal back to Warner Bros.

Given that this is a Warner Bros/Legendary Pictures production, and there's no sign of Universal or Peter Jackson being involved anywhere, I think its safe to assume that this is a prequel/precursor to WB/Legendary's Godzilla. The teaser even said "From the Producers of Godzilla" meaning they want to tie the films together for a Monsters Cinematic Universe. And of course there's the fact that the new Skull Island looks very different from the island in Peter Jackson's remake, so it cannot be related to the 2005 film.
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