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PostSubject: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:46 am

I was thinking about it...and honestly. Jurassic World 2 whatever the title ends up being is probably going to have hybrids. Homocraptors were tried at least twice in two iterations of the script. (The homocraptors in the concept art and the Du-ongs in the sayles script) I would say that they may be coming up with a way to sell this. Now I think we may not see it until JW3 because i think we may see something to 'butter' the audience up for it in JW2 first.

But lets get it out of the way first: The homocraptors in the sayles script and the concept art were butt ugly, and that was the main reason people were utterly and completely repulsed by them. I was repulsed by them....it was honestly unnecessary and a shit stain on the JP franchise that it even got that far.

But Wu is still out there.

So...they may try a compromise. Make the homocraptors a bit more...human. Im not saying breeding a cloned Zara with raptor eyes or anything like that. Im saying particularly for a mainland plot...Apple vs Mac. What does Steve Jobs do when he's competitor creates a Zune? He creates the goddamn iPhone.

So InGen learned the hard way that the dinosaurs are not controllable as bioweapons, at least not in the way Hoskins and anyone who was in on his conspiracy wanted them. So whats the next step?

Biogenetic growth hormone. Take the best parts of the Indominus and reapply them. Wu did something quite spectacular. He was able to create traits in the animal such as camouflage without altering the animals appearance. What Im getting at is...Genetic Hormone therapy. A person undergoes many treatments of the genome, and eventually their DNA may adapt to this.

Imagine if a person had the agility of a raptor. The senses of a Trex, the durability of a triceratops. That is what I am talking about. They would in essence be a transgenic species. The idea is not new, Crichton talked about Transgenic species in his novel 'Next', a novel which directly referenced Biosyn.

In the real world? There's already bans on putting patents on humans/human embryos.

Human animal hybrids are already here:

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/123615/20160112/scientists-create-human-animal-hybrids-to-address-shortage-of-hearts-livers-and-lungs-for-organ-transplant.htm
http://io9.gizmodo.com/want-to-stay-healthy-youll-need-to-become-a-human-anim-1646604935
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/animals/using/hybridembryos_1.shtml


What do you think of this possibility for Homocraptors?

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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:59 am

It would be something similar to what Troodon would have become if they weren't extinct, at least for this theory:



It's an interesting concept, but... IMO it would be too far from what we're used to see in a Jurassic movie. Indominus was a hybrid, okay, but it was similar to a real dinosaur. It wasn't weird to watch her in action in a Jurassic movie.
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:35 am

Owenpratt Im not talking about putting an existing animal through transgenic hormone therapy. I am talking about putting humans through it. Think weekly/monthly transfusions of the DNA, and then as the DNA bonds to the subject, the subject slowly begins to acquire the relevant traits. So not as obvious as the 'troodontid' that you posted... more subtle. A treated person with the agility and speed of a raptor... The far reaching senses of a Rex...and with that DNA comes something else.

Genetic Memory:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/genetic-memory-how-we-know-things-we-never-learned/
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0007486

They have actually done studies in mice in which improved genetic memory through gene splicing of foreign genes. What if the same was done for Jurassic World? What if....through the transgenic hormone therapies you brought in not only the features of the animal but everything else?

Instinct...memory.... the primal urge to hunt.

And you do that enough times what you can create by accident is someone not merely enhanced...but actually driven to lose control of themselves to the primal instinct of the dinosaurs. Through the influx of foreign dominant genes in their body.

As Dr Wu said in Jurassic World "you can not have a carnivore without having the associate traits!"

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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:39 pm

Oh, so you mean a actual human, for its design?
Like the Terminator, who looks like a human but inside he behaves like a killing machine?
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:42 pm

So, is this a topic about science? Hell yeah, science, bitches! Twisted Evil

Anyway, I'm 99% sure JW2 will have more hybrids, despite many fans saying they're against this. About homocraptors AKA human/dino hybrids, I don't know if Universal will add them in an upcoming JP movie (JW2 or JW3) to the fact that it would be very risky. But I seriously don't doubt that possibility. If they add human hybrids in the plot, it will be something TOTALLY different than what you guys might be imagining. Not human like dinosaurs or homocraptors like the concept arts showed.

I think we need to stop looking at things based on our physical apparence. We all know the Universe and even our Planet, don't revolve around us. So that means not all intelligent beings need to look or have human characteristics, like the pic Owenpratt showed.

What I mean is, you don't need to put/have human physical characteristics in a dinosaur or other animal/living being, to make it intelligent. Want a real example? The crow. Crows are incredible animals, they're very intelligent and one of the few other animals (Outside Homo sapiens) to have self-awareness and it's the only animal outside of Hominidae family that can craft tools to help it in many of it's necessities such as catching food. And if you look at a crow, I bet most ppl will understimate it and think it's not intelligent, you also can't find any "human" traits in it, because as obvious, it's a bird, and we are primates from mammal clade.

And, if you pick our species, Homo sapiens, to take an unbiased look (that means, without making humans as the model for everything in nature in all the Universe), and then someone asks you, what's the most incredible characteristic of our species? I bet you, that you wouldn't answer anything from our physical apparence. We aren't the fastest, strongest or more agille primates/animals. In fact, we're very fragille compared to many animals. So, what makes us so special that we survived natural selection? Our brains. That incredible organ that gives us an extreme intelligence, to the point we are, by now, the most intelligent animals to even walk on Earth. So yeah, an obivous conclusion here, the most incredible feature of humans is the intelligence.

And of course, someone like Wu knows that too.

So where I'm trying to reach with all this stuff? I'm saying that, you don't need to have an homocraptor or a dinosaur hybrid with human physical characteristics to make it highly intelligent like an human or something close to that.

I know we are entering in the sci fi field here so, I think if Wu wants to make more intelligent dinosaurs or some type of human/dinosaur hybrid, he would try to develop a human-like brain inside this dinosaur using the genes. That would be very complicated (impossible in real life), but I think they could throw that concept in.

Or, we could have 2 separated "fields" in the new movie. Wu would foccus not only on the hybrid dinosaur, but would try to work on projects like, genetic engineering new human beings to have all good quality traits that would make them more close to a "perfect human being". Genetic engineering humans are already a thing in real life, but of course we have ethics so, they're researching that with the only objective of deleting genes  in human embryos that would cause some disability on the person, not something like "edit the race, gender" stuff.

But in the movie, they could very well explore in a sub-plot (not taking away the foccus on the dinosaurs) how InGen/Wu want to create and clone human beings that are "perfect" or something like that. Artificial selection of our species. I find it very interesting (putting ethics aside), I always wanted to know how Wu took new eugenist subjects. He actually is an eugenist if you classify modern genetic engineering and clonning on some sort of eugenism.

So that's it, long crazy post, sorry guys. Laughing


PS: I love genetics since it's a biology topic, but I have some difficulty in learning it.

@Sickle_Claw wrote:
Think weekly/monthly transfusions of the DNA, and then as the DNA bonds to the subject, the subject slowly begins to acquire the relevant traits.

Like, not change only the fenotype, but the genotype?

Anyway, yes, genetic memory is what we know and call instinct. Something we are already born with and don't need to learn. Like how some dog races like to dig for no reason, they do that because of their instincts, they have a gene that makes them act like that. And why they have it? Natural/Artificial selection.
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:04 pm

I still don't get if you guys mean a dinosaur-looking thing with human traits, or a human-like thing with dinosaur traits
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:08 pm

@owenpratt wrote:
I still don't get if you guys mean a dinosaur-looking thing with human traits, or a human-like thing with dinosaur traits

Both. Laughing

Sickle means human with dinosaur traits and I mean a dinosaur looking hybrid with human-like intelligence (not speaking or doing everything a human do, please).
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:46 pm

Oh, now I understand lol

I actually think Diego's idea would look better on a Jurassic film. To see a super-intelligent dinosaur like that on the big screen would be cool, but seeing a human doing dinosaurs thing IMO could look very weird
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:23 pm

Human-looking dinosaur running through the jungle?

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In all seriousness, it would be a bit weird to have a human leaping on things and roaring. I would cringe, probably, if I saw that in the cinemas. I'm thinking more likely, if they do do this, they'll probably go for just a very intelligent dinosaur. Although, they already did that with I-Rex, pretty much, so idk.
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:35 pm

@SmugTheFab wrote:
Human-looking dinosaur running through the jungle?

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In all seriousness, it would be a bit weird to have a human leaping on things and roaring. I would cringe, probably, if I saw that in the cinemas. I'm thinking more likely, if they do do this, they'll probably go for just a very intelligent dinosaur. Although, they already did that with I-Rex, pretty much, so idk.

Yeah it would be kind of reverse island of dr. Moreau there, but the science does exist to make it possible or seemingly plausible in a movie though. I keep thinking of things like feral humans with the raptor genome running around, kind of like humans infect ted with the rage virus aka 28 days later.

The super-intelligent dinosaur thing could also recur if they ever brought Blue back. Hoskins people know how successful the raptor experiment was... and if they could get that obedience in Blue duplicated they could have something on their hands. Cage her, experiment on her, using drugs to get Blue's intelligence level up and then splicing her genome into other dinosaurs...

getting planet of the apes here lol.

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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:13 pm

@SmugTheFab wrote:
Human-looking dinosaur running through the jungle?

Jurassic Park: Genisys Laughing

In all seriousness, it would be a bit weird to have a human leaping on things and roaring. I would cringe, probably, if I saw that in the cinemas. I'm thinking more likely, if they do do this, they'll probably go for just a very intelligent dinosaur. Although, they already did that with I-Rex, pretty much, so idk.

This is exactly what I think too.
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:04 am

I don't know about this whole idea. A lot of people already see dinos as weapons as completely ridiculous, imagine what the reaction would to to...Mutant humans with dinosaur abilities? If they make a slight slip up, this will be deep in B-movie territory IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:49 pm

What I liked about Indominus was that she still looked like a dinosaur. That's what I would want for hybrids in the future, that they look like plausible animals and not mashups of whatever is in their DNA. Most of the dinosaur/human hybrids in concept art look like the artist started transitioning one animal into another and paused halfway through.

"Humans with dinosaur abilities" doesn't really feel...like it belongs in a Jurassic movie. And "dinosaurs with human intelligence" isn't really necessary, because we've already got raptors, and they're portrayed as having humanlike or near-human intelligence in the films. Even mini-Indominus could serve this purpose.

I'm sure that human/dinosaurian hybrids will appear in future films, but I hope that they're handled better than just "really smart dinosaurs" or "people who act and/or look like feral animals."
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PostSubject: Re: How they may possibly do Homocraptors (My theory)   Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:57 am

@Troodon_formosus wrote:
What I liked about Indominus was that she still looked like a dinosaur.

This. That's why it worked in the film. She kinda had a similar role to the Big One of JP, but bigger, and appositely created to be that fierce.

I wouldn't risk to use other hybrids in sequels though. I want real dinosaurs. Maybe new species to enter the series, but not hybrids.
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