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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:56 am

- Sam Neil as Alan Grant
- The Spinosaurus water scene
- The Aviary scene
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:41 pm

First of all, the Pteranodons. Definitely the best part in the entire movie.

Second would be the Raptors. It was easier to tell the difference between the males and the females because the males had feathery quills on their heads while the females didn't.

Lastly was the inclusion of a dinosaur that was only ever seen once and for a few short seconds. Remember the scene the main characters having to dig through piles of stinky Spinosaurus poop to retrieve a ringing phone only to be disrupted by a big predatory dinosaur with a small horn on its nose? For anyone who's forgotten that scene, the dinosaur is obviously a Ceratosaurus.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:49 pm

By the way, does anyone else love this one line Ben Hildebrand says? Or, rather, how the actor playing him portrays it? It's just so corny and weirdly punctuated I laugh even thinking about it, and have ever since I saw it in theaters. And it's twice in the film (when they watch the tape) which makes it even better. So bad it's good?

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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:28 pm

- The CGI on the raptors. Best raptor CGI in a JP film to date.

- The river scene with the Spinosaurus was great.

- And lastly, the most underrated scene in the entire franchise....

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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:46 pm

Well I think the idea of dream sequence was good, and it showed Grant's perspective well, however the execution was poor in my eyes as was portraying it in comical tone. Plus it made no sense for him to see the quills/protofeathers
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:57 pm

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Well I think the idea of dream sequence was good, and it showed Grant's perspective well, however the execution was poor in my eyes as was portraying it in comical tone. Plus it made no sense for him to see the quills/protofeathers

All good points, yes.

But it was still bleepin' hilarious, which, for a film that didn't have as serious a tone as the first two films anyways, is a win in my eyes.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:16 am

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Mistral wrote:
Well I think the idea of dream sequence was good, and it showed Grant's perspective well, however the execution was poor in my eyes as was portraying it in comical tone. Plus it made no sense for him to see the quills/protofeathers

All good points, yes.

But it was still bleepin' hilarious, which, for a film that didn't have as serious a tone as the first two films anyways, is a win in my eyes.

If the dreaming had been placed to happen in mainland, before Grant went to make the auditorium speech, then it could have been really good. Because then you would have not only understood his "theme park monsters" lines better, but also shown that he is having nightmares about the place even though he is sure he is never going back to the place again. Continuing haunting in his normal life.

But now, when they show if afterwards he's already made the deal with Kirbys, it's somewhat less effective because he's dreaming of something he's forced to see again soon (even if supposedly only from plane). I still appreciate the idea, but being where it is and with clunky execution it's not what I call successful portrayal. But if you like it as it is, that's great Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:43 am

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@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Mistral wrote:
Well I think the idea of dream sequence was good, and it showed Grant's perspective well, however the execution was poor in my eyes as was portraying it in comical tone. Plus it made no sense for him to see the quills/protofeathers

All good points, yes.

But it was still bleepin' hilarious, which, for a film that didn't have as serious a tone as the first two films anyways, is a win in my eyes.

If the dreaming had been placed to happen in mainland, before Grant went to make the auditorium speech, then it could have been really good. Because then you would have not only understood his "theme park monsters" lines better, but also shown that he is having nightmares about the place even though he is sure he is never going back to the place again. Continuing haunting in his normal life.

But now, when they show if afterwards he's already made the deal with Kirbys, it's somewhat less effective because he's dreaming of something he's forced to see again soon (even if supposedly only from plane). I still appreciate the idea, but being where it is and with clunky execution it's not what I call successful portrayal. But if you like it as it is, that's great Razz

I absolutely understand your criticisms.

But.....It's a talking raptor.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:33 am

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Mistral wrote:
@Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Mistral wrote:
Well I think the idea of dream sequence was good, and it showed Grant's perspective well, however the execution was poor in my eyes as was portraying it in comical tone. Plus it made no sense for him to see the quills/protofeathers

All good points, yes.

But it was still bleepin' hilarious, which, for a film that didn't have as serious a tone as the first two films anyways, is a win in my eyes.

If the dreaming had been placed to happen in mainland, before Grant went to make the auditorium speech, then it could have been really good. Because then you would have not only understood his "theme park monsters" lines better, but also shown that he is having nightmares about the place even though he is sure he is never going back to the place again. Continuing haunting in his normal life.

But now, when they show if afterwards he's already made the deal with Kirbys, it's somewhat less effective because he's dreaming of something he's forced to see again soon (even if supposedly only from plane). I still appreciate the idea, but being where it is and with clunky execution it's not what I call successful portrayal. But if you like it as it is, that's great Razz

I absolutely understand your criticisms.

But.....It's a talking raptor.

Lol yeah, that it is Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:58 am

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@Spinosaur4.4 wrote:
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1) The giant animatronic Spinosaur (when lighted and shown properly)
2) The auditorium scene when everyone was raising hands
3) It wasn't as bad as JW turned out to be
May I curiously ask why you didn't like JW?  Smile

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Soft reboot ideology
Rehash/recycled themes
Obvious fanservice references
Another park, another Nublar
"People got bored of dinosaurs" 10 years later?????
TLW/JP3 canon ignorance
Indominus whatever
Trained raptors
Characterization of "Blue"
Weird Vincent D'Onofrio subplot
Dr Wu motives made no sense
Annoying kids, even worse than Eric Kirby
Clunky dialogue at places
WAY TOO OVERUSED CGI that didn't even look great, plastic dinosaurs
Lack of animatronics (one isn't enough)
Embarrassing "wink wink" end fight that made my head hurt
Bland score

Some of the characters were okay and there were alright bits here and there (especially the 70's style chat between CP/BDH at the 'shack') but not enough to warrant it even above JP3. At least JP3 didn't feel like billion dollar ADHD fan film but just generic mediocre sequel. I take crappy jokes of Kirby Adventure & slasher-Spino over rehashed park & fake-looking uber-brain Indominus any day.

But that's just my opinion. I only saw it once in a theater and thought "ehhhh whatever", then halfway through in Bluray until I had to stop it out of anger.

Mainly it's the extreme in-your-face reboot feel and awful CGI over exploitation that ruins it for me, the rest are details.

Love this post.

Well, JP3. Always had a love/hate relationship wth this mvie, but I can't stop watching it. As someone who watched both JP and TLW in the theather as a kid and grew up with those movies, JP3 felt disappointing when it came out and it's still not very impressive. However, a few things are positive, such as:

1. They brought in a new "main dino" and discarded the fan favorite in a very in-your-face way, very brave move.
2. They brought back Alan Grant. Can't stress enough how much this helped save the movie.
3. The river scene is among the best Jurassic Park franchise scenes ever in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:06 am

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Love this post.

Well, JP3. Always had a love/hate relationship wth this mvie, but I can't stop watching it. As someone who watched both JP and TLW in the theather as a kid and grew up with those movies, JP3 felt disappointing when it came out and it's still not very impressive. However, a few things are positive, such as:

1. They brought in a new "main dino" and discarded the fan favorite in a very in-your-face way, very brave move.

Hard to call something brave when what you're doing is something in which you/your movie studio has very little to gain and so much to lose, and do so easily. Not to mention the execution. Besides, the in-your-face style fails more often then not.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:33 am

I used to really intensely hate the outcome of the T. rex vs Spino battle, and to this day I don't like it but not for the same reasons as I did as a kid. Rather than just the fact that the T. rex got killed off, I find its placement and pacing really off; what could have made for a great climactic battle instead came off as an afterthought and was frankly too rushed to be satisfying, ignoring the outcome itself. In context, it was basically a throwaway action scene that tried to further establish the Spinosaurus as the superior predator (as if tearing up an airplane is not enough).

Killing off just one T. rex is one thing, but not to bring it back for a single scene later on was yet another missed opportunity, for example what if the Spinosaurus was defeated by a fully grown Rex, or a pair of them? As it stands, it comes across as a tad cheap to be honest. I've said it before, I'll say it again, the I. rex was basically a better explained and better executed version of the Spinosaurus.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:55 am

I think I'm in the extreme minority here but I actually liked how there was no explanation for the spinosaurus, it gave you this feeling of inGen being up to much more than even the characters from JP had any clue about. And when they cleared out from Sorna they left all their secret creations behind.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:41 am

The vague explanation of Spinosaurus is perfectly fine. As is it's outlook, I mean it's quite iconic, and the scientific accuracy for year 2000 is alright. The roar it puts out is very memorable, not boring and flat like I-Rex. Hell I don't even really mind it killing the T-Rex, even if it was bit convoluted and rushed.

The main problem is the animal acting like serial killer monster and stalking the people all over the island (that's some impressive territory ain't it?) for no reason, not acting like real animal. Which is a recurring theme these sequels are pretty proud of, it seems.

The satellite phone sub plot inside it is also terrible. I still take it rather than I-Rex though.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:53 pm

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The vague explanation of Spinosaurus is perfectly fine. As is it's outlook, I mean it's quite iconic, and the scientific accuracy for year 2000 is alright. The roar it puts out is very memorable, not boring and flat like I-Rex. Hell I don't even really mind it killing the T-Rex, even if it was bit convoluted and rushed.

The main problem is the animal acting like serial killer monster and stalking the people all over the island (that's some impressive territory ain't it?) for no reason, not acting like real animal. Which is a recurring theme these sequels are pretty proud of, it seems.

I definitely agree with all this. I hope JW2 will bring back the feeling of the dinosaurs being actual animals, that makes them more terrifying, actually. Another thing you said which I agree with is how both JW and JP3 take no chances and don't really try anything new. We've been talking about how JW is full of fan service but JP3 tried (and failed) that, too. Grant digging up another raptor skeleton in Montana, flying to the island with that iconic music (albeit not the same island) etc. It just gets boring. We've all seen the first movie, we don't need repeats. I really hope JW2 will try something new, and from the looks of it, it will. And can we please go back to the raptors being terrifying, not good-guys. It was nice of them to spare Grant and the Kirbys and to help Claire and Owen out of a bind, but enough already.
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:50 pm

@Lost wrote:
I think I'm in the extreme minority here but I actually liked how there was no explanation for the spinosaurus, it gave you this feeling of inGen being up to much more than even the characters from JP had any clue about. And when they cleared out from Sorna they left all their secret creations behind.

I still think that if another studio gets the rights, then that will be ret-conned as the original super-hybrid. Universal is too busy pretending like JP3 never happened, not to mention their-as of now-dubious caring about the canon. Another studio could conceivably pull it off. Back on JPL, I thought of ret-conning it as a T. rex/Spino hybrid and a lot of people liked that idea. After all, while there are some noticable differences between the JP T. rexes and the real-life ones, they have the basic design. The JP3 Spino looks nothing like the new real one. (The fact that it was based on poor remains and speculation didn't help.)
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:16 pm

@Rhedosaurus wrote:
Back on JPL, I thought of ret-conning it as a T. rex/Spino hybrid and a lot of people liked that idea. After all, while there are some noticable differences between the JP T. rexes and the real-life ones, they have the basic design. The JP3 Spino looks nothing like the new real one. (The fact that it was based on poor remains and speculation didn't help.)

This thing again? Ehh.

You better hope Spinosaur4.4 doesn't read it silent
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:47 pm

Play nice kiddies Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Tue May 02, 2017 4:10 pm

Here's three more:

-New "main dino"
-Dark atmosphere
-Exploring Isla Sorna
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Sat May 06, 2017 4:14 pm

Ever wanted to get rid of the hated dream sequence? Also Billy's lucky bag?  Laughing

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Btw looking at this back I only now noticed how the helicopter filming the plane is reflected from the clouds. You still learn new things 16 years later tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Sat May 06, 2017 10:47 pm

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Ever wanted to get rid of the hated dream sequence? Also Billy's lucky bag?  Laughing

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Btw looking at this back I only now noticed how the helicopter filming the plane is reflected from the clouds. You still learn new things 16 years later tongue
Holy sh*t you're correct lol!  Any other places we see it besides just near the beginning? 

I assume you've seen the TLW CGI flub where the Trike's tail passes over the guys head wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Sat May 06, 2017 10:54 pm

@Troyal1 wrote:
Mistral wrote:
Ever wanted to get rid of the hated dream sequence? Also Billy's lucky bag?  Laughing

More here (shameless self advertisement): http://jurassicmainframe.forumotion.com/t976-jurassic-darker-fan-edit-of-jp3#15670



Btw looking at this back I only now noticed how the helicopter filming the plane is reflected from the clouds. You still learn new things 16 years later tongue
Holy sh*t you're correct lol!  Any other places we see it besides just near the beginning? 

I assume you've seen the TLW CGI flub where the Trike's tail passes over the guys head wrong?

See what, the helicopter? Don't think so (?)

And lol haven't paid that much attention to that TLW shot, will check. I mean, until recently I hadn't even realized that after the InGen team had come to help Ian/Sarah/Nick at the cliff, they actually returned back to the ruined InGen camp. I somehow never paid attention to it and thought they were discussing about what to do next at the cliff side Razz

Oh and speaking of my actual edits here, I assume you don't approve considering you actually enjoy JP3 as it is for the most part IIRC? tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Sat May 06, 2017 11:25 pm

Mistral wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
Mistral wrote:
Ever wanted to get rid of the hated dream sequence? Also Billy's lucky bag?  Laughing

More here (shameless self advertisement): http://jurassicmainframe.forumotion.com/t976-jurassic-darker-fan-edit-of-jp3#15670



Btw looking at this back I only now noticed how the helicopter filming the plane is reflected from the clouds. You still learn new things 16 years later tongue
Holy sh*t you're correct lol!  Any other places we see it besides just near the beginning? 

I assume you've seen the TLW CGI flub where the Trike's tail passes over the guys head wrong?

See what, the helicopter? Don't think so (?)

And lol haven't paid that much attention to that TLW shot, will check. I mean, until recently I hadn't even realized that after the InGen team had come to help Ian/Sarah/Nick at the cliff, they actually returned back to the ruined InGen camp. I somehow never paid attention to it and thought they were discussing about what to do next at the cliff side Razz

Oh and speaking of my actual edits here, I assume you don't approve considering you actually enjoy JP3 as it is for the most part IIRC? tongue
I haven't got a chance to watch your edit yet.

Here at 2:28 https://youtu.be/hneqbQ_AW2w

The guy on the left. If you look close the tail does not blend to go behind his head, but rather shows in the foreground.

Edit: can't find the zoomed in version
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Sat May 06, 2017 11:30 pm

@Troyal1 wrote:
Mistral wrote:
@Troyal1 wrote:
Mistral wrote:
Ever wanted to get rid of the hated dream sequence? Also Billy's lucky bag?  Laughing

More here (shameless self advertisement): http://jurassicmainframe.forumotion.com/t976-jurassic-darker-fan-edit-of-jp3#15670



Btw looking at this back I only now noticed how the helicopter filming the plane is reflected from the clouds. You still learn new things 16 years later tongue
Holy sh*t you're correct lol!  Any other places we see it besides just near the beginning? 

I assume you've seen the TLW CGI flub where the Trike's tail passes over the guys head wrong?

See what, the helicopter? Don't think so (?)

And lol haven't paid that much attention to that TLW shot, will check. I mean, until recently I hadn't even realized that after the InGen team had come to help Ian/Sarah/Nick at the cliff, they actually returned back to the ruined InGen camp. I somehow never paid attention to it and thought they were discussing about what to do next at the cliff side Razz

Oh and speaking of my actual edits here, I assume you don't approve considering you actually enjoy JP3 as it is for the most part IIRC? tongue
I haven't got a chance to watch your edit yet.

Here at 2:28 https://youtu.be/hneqbQ_AW2w

The guy on the left. If you look close the tail does not blend to go behind his head, but rather shows in the foreground.

Oh yeah that looks terrible - now I can't watch the film without noticing it again  Laughing and it's Dieter by the way, the guy. It's weird I haven't noticed it even though I've paid attention to him standing there

And lol the actual 'edit' doesn't exist yet (except in my project files), all those 1 minute clips like the one above are just examples of it Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Name 3 good things in JP3.   Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:54 am

1. The return of Dr Grant
2. The return of Dr Sattler
3. The movie had quite a few moments of suspense and thrills. (Something I feel JP3 did very well that JW did not do)
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