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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Mon May 01, 2017 9:28 pm

Holy sh*t two more parts!!! I'm about to lay down and read this. Will update with thoughts
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Mon May 01, 2017 11:03 pm

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Mistral, why you did that?  Sad

This was amazing and I got attached to it, but then I remember this is not going to happen. Doubt Wu has a daughter. Why Mistral, why? Now I want this to happen haha

I love how Lockwood is a cold bastard. Man, what a son of a bitch.  Twisted Evil

LMAO at "Drinking my lovely tea like Neanderthals".  Laughing

I know this is amazing!!! 

I love how the Dilo is being hinted at.
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Mon May 01, 2017 11:53 pm

This is probably the last one.

Part 4

Mistral's "The Reveal Scenes"


As morning sun lights the university campus grounds, Ian Malcolm is walking towards the entrance of the main building, yawning as he goes. He's carrying suitcase full of papers, which he continues to browse as he walks forward. He's wearing a black cloak and trousers, but white collar shirt, untypically for him. As he enters the university entrance, a greasy looking janitor yells at him:
”Still in the neighborhood, old fart?”
”As ever, as ever...” Malcolm says.
”Ever planning to graduate out of this cursed place?”
”Quicker than you, that would be my theory!” Malcolm says, and turns his back at him, starting to walk away.
”Awwww Fiddlesticks!” the janitor yells, going back to his chores.
”Sarah will be glad to know you've retained your juvenile mind!”
”At least she and me are getting our hands dirty!” the voice of the janitor echoes in the hallway. Malcolm dismissively waves hand at his direction and laughs. Few students witnessing the scene also laugh among themselves.

As Malcolm steps into employee-only break room, middle aged woman cleaning his mug turns and says with delight:
”Oh hi Ian”
Malcolm nods, smiling, and heads to the coffee maker.
”Really, I mean really? Nothing left, not even half a cup? I only come here once couple of months, and can't even get some coffee for my troubles?” he says with a serious voice. Then they both laugh a bit at the same time.
”There is the machine in the hallway you know. The students tolerate it, I think” the woman laughs.
”My dad's socks smell better than the poison coming out of that thing” Malcolm sighs.
”Well you know we would've left you a cup, like we always do, but we  weren't sure you were actually coming today, and...”.
”I still have lecture in couple of minutes, don't I? They wouldn't cancel it?” Malcolm says and looks at the notice board on the wall.
”What's the point of being sellout mathematician, if I can't even get anyone to come to my listen to my sellout speeches...” he says jokingly, inspecting the board. The woman behind him is starting to lo look a bit confused.
”Well, no, but, you know, considering, you know, the situation? Some of us just...”
”What?”
”I mean, with that whole ordeal, I thought...”
”The whole ordeal with my class?” Malcolm turns around. He now notices the surprised look on her face.
”Hasn't anyone called you or something?” she says.
”Have I won the lottery? Did... did someone I know die?” Malcolm says alarmed and grabs his phone from the pocket.
”No... nothing like that... well, kind of... soon... but... so... you don't really know then? Like at all?” she says.
”Know what?” Malcolm says as he waits for the phone to turn on.
”You don't keep your phone open? Since like, yesterday evening or whatever?” the woman asks.
”Not when I have lecture AND book to finalize. Interruptions can be... chaotic...” he says, voice fading. In the screen of the phone, there are 127 new messages. He scratches his head and starts pacing around the room.
”Yeah I'd figured they'd try to contact you, because you know you were... involved and stuff...” she says.
”Who are these people?”
”I assume the, like, news people and... you know?”
”What the hell is going in here?” Malcolm finally raises his voice.
”Lack of coffee really does seem to make you grumpy”, the woman says and looks at the clock.
”Look, I have class to attend to, but I'll advice Janice to announce that your lecture will be delayed by couple of minutes, right? Right?”
”Mmhmh...” Malcolm says, still looking at his phone. The woman looks at him, walks over to TV, turns on [insert TV station], awkwardly smiles at him and walks out of the room with papers on her hands. Malcolm raises his head to face the television.

On the screen, there are stock videos of Jurassic World and other newsreels going on, with someone saying in the background: ”-- which in a way is quite unprecedented for the age we are living, let me tell you. But I think this great support so far, you know our campaign that seemed to burst out of nowhere last evening and onward into the night and morning, has been overwhelmingly positive sign of people's will to stand against the power. I also think a representative from Twitter said they've never had such huge influx of tweets in so little time, literally the social medida almost broke apart last night. And I mean, there are also naysayers, but there always are, and we shouldn't listen at them. That's my viewpoint”
The screen turns into newsreader on studio saying: ”You heard from the spokesman for "Save the Dinosaurs" campaign there. We will hear from the rivaling campaign manager presenting the opposite viewpoint to this in the 9:30 news, so stay tuned for that. And if you're just turning in, the big news we've been discussing here is the leaked documents revealing the governmental plans for the destruction of Isla Nublar, the former site of dinosaur park Jurassic World, as well as it's predecessor Jurassic Park. So far, we have not had any authority officially confirming or denying of the alleged plans, but there appears to be strong evidence for their existence. Yesterday, [insert TV station] News also learned that Benjamin Lockwood, the former investor and partner at both of the discontinued parks at Isla Nublar, was not going to stand by in silence. Our correspondent [insert name here] has more.”

Now on the screen, a reporter is seen standing in empty looking airfield. She says: ”Yesterday evening, our camera crews were hinted at something quite special happening in this little airfield, 15 miles off from [insert city name here]. Just before the private plane of Benjamin Lockwood was trying to take off, our crew arrived at the scene and requested small audience. As mr Lockwood seemed to realize that the news about this special secret expedition, as well as the government's plot to destroy the animals had already leaked, he was not overly hesitant to hand us exclusive interview, as well as shed light to the situation. Here's excerpt of what he had to say yesterday, here at this very place.”
Lockwood, with his wife and small girl standing next to him in the rain, appears on frame. He says: ”These men, these boneless men in the government, think they can simply get rid of such beautiful creatures, by bombing them to pieces in cold blood, without moment's remorse. They think they are just products, property that can be disposed like any commercial item. But I'm not going to stand by, and let them crush the memory of John Hammond - my beloved business partner, and dear friend. I will try to save the animals. And if the government, or whoever else tries to stand against me... I hope they see common sense. We have another dinosaur island, Isla Sorna that's protected by UN and several other parties. That should be the case with Nublar as well. That is my hope. And as for the plan itself I have here, that is obviously something I cannot elaborate further in public, in fear of it leading to unneeded complications. Of course with this leak letting out, it is likely that it's harder than it was before, but I will face the wind, and so will my team of experts. Let me assure you, the dinosaurs are animals like any other. They will not be slaughtered, as long as I live.”

On screen, the reporter continues: ”Also here were two former employees of Jurassic World, now part of expert team being sent to Costa Rica to deal with the situation. Owen Grady, former animal expert, as well as public relations correspondent Claire Dearing were preparing to leave for the island. This is what they had to say as they were about to start on this dangerous journey:”
Claire is seen on screen, standing awkwardly next to the stairs leading to the small private jet, saying: ”Well I think what he is doing is rather wonderful, I mean from the animal rights perspective, and what the people trying to do to the animals is not so wonderful, you know?”
The interviewer's voice says: ”But aren't you scared of going to the island again? That is presumably what you are intending to do?”
Claire responds: ”Well, it is quite scary yes, but... we've done it before and... and...”
Owen starts talking and the camera turns into him: ”Yeah, yeah. We are not worried...”

Malcolm shuts down the TV and stares at the empty screen for a moment. Then, he grabs his suitcase, exits the door, walks through the corridor and opens the auditorium door. Students, most noisily discussing among themselves, slowly silence as they notice him arriving. Malcolm briefly looks at them and starts to unpack his suitcase and papers.
”Excuse for me being so late, I'm very sorry... oh uhm..” he mumbles, searching for microphone. He awkwardly puts it on and says:
”That better? Okay so yeah, we'll get started right away as I get everything prepared here... once again I'm sorry for this, bit of unprofessional start here, but we'll be soon on our way” he's saying, typing something to the computer. The auditorium is dead silent, despite hundreds of people looking down at him.
”The projector? Janice, or Gordon, they didn't set up the projector?” he says clumsily, half to himself, trying to get the thing working. The whole scene is more awkward than funny.
”Are they really going to kill all the dinosaurs?” someone from the front row asks with serious voice.
”What?” Malcolm raises his head, stopping trying to make things work.
”The dinosaurs, at that park that got ruined, they will be bombed right?”
”Oh, I don't know... You've seen the news, it looks like it...” Malcolm shrugs as his voice fades. He looks absent minded and the microphone crackles. He starts typing  with the PC again.
”Weren't you always opposite to having the animals there too, in those interviews? After you survived the incidents?” someone else asks.
”I've got to say, I believe that's discussion for table talk and whatnot, not for this lecture. In fact, the topic for today that I'm here to actually, uhh, discuss with you, is the examination... the examination of chaos in plasma systems and vibrating plates.” Malcolm says, and finally gets the projector working. He continues, starting to get control of his motions and speech back:
”A very fascinating, fascinating subject. In the next 3 hours, we will go through the basics of said plasma systems and vibrating plates, as well see how the theory will model unexplored cases, and stimulate new applications. Hidden attractors, stability theory and Lyapunov exponents are also something we will discuss along the way. But first I'd like to...”
”Excuse me, but are you going to do something about it?” someone says again, standing up.
”About what?” Malcolm says annoyed. Several people in the audience start making noises.
”Well you know, the dinosaurs?" the student says.
”What is there to do?"
The student lowers back to sitting on her chair. Malcolm says:
"And by the way, everyone here should already know that the university tradition is to wait until the end of the lecture for possible questions. Thank you”
The volume in the auditorium goes down again.
”Right. So, plasma systems and vibrating plates...”
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Tue May 02, 2017 12:24 pm

OMG Malcolm is really bad in giving lectures, and why not, very rude with people.  Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Tue May 02, 2017 12:26 pm

He was bit absent minded Smile and yes students too lol
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Thu May 25, 2017 12:41 pm

I think the ending is gonna show how Dinosaurs have escaped from the mansion into the surrounding areas. Then the third film (or sixth) will be about how the Dinosaurs are laying eggs and populating forests and parks etc and they'll have to stop them from screwing with the ecosystem.
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Thu May 25, 2017 3:58 pm

Mmh, if I had to guess, there probably will be some kind of cliffhanger / lead-up-to-JP6-setting-up instead of traditional ending.
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:26 am

I speculate that part of the story will involve a company (perhaps Biosyn) acquiring Isla Nublar and taking dinosaurs off of the island for their own uses. The idea of Biosyn taking over the island after an incident occurred there was previously used for Jurassic Park II: The Chaos Continues, which might explain why Trevorrow was apparently researching the game back in January 2014 ( https://mobile.twitter.com/colintrevorrow/status/421057846633975808 ), even though the Jurassic World script had already been finished four months earlier.

Anyway, here is my full speculative storyline:

During the early years of InGen, Benjamin Lockwood and Hammond have disagreements on the best way to utilize the dinosaurs. Lockwood is banished from InGen, and either joins Biosyn or forms the company himself, which would provide an explanation for how Dodgson knew of Jurassic Park.

Two decades later, the Jurassic World incident occurs, and Owen and Claire face intense questioning about the events there. Sometime later, there is the threat of a volcanic eruption on Isla Nublar, with dinosaur-rights activists wanting to save the dinosaurs, leading to much debate about what to do.  Meanwhile, there are countries (especially Costa Rica) that would prefer to let the island destroy itself, rather than spend the time and money to relocate the dangerous animals. Since Malcolm predicted the Jurassic Park incident (and probably the eventual disaster at Jurassic World), he would be consulted by government officials regarding the best course of action. After some debate, Lockwood and Biosyn get involved so that they can finally get their hands on those dinosaurs. Biosyn promises to relocate the animals to Isla Sorna (or maybe one of the nearby islands), and Costa Rica approves the idea due to pressure from the dinosaur activists. Dodgson would oversee the roundup operation, with help from his associates, Howard King and George Baselton. Imagine a herd of Gallimimus being chased down the remains of Jurassic World's Main Street by Biosyn’s team. Ideally, parts of the old park would also be featured.

Owen would probably be part of this mission so he can oversee the capture of Blue, since he is a raptor expert, and Claire will likely join Owen on the trip to Nublar. We would find out that Biosyn is actually taking at least some of the animals to a secret lab facility somewhere (probably on the Central American mainland) to reverse engineer them so they can make more dinosaurs, perhaps for medical testing, or to sell as pets, or to open their own dinosaur hunting range for wealthy customers, or all of the above (as Dodgson said in the second novel, “We can do anything we want with them”). Biosyn’s transfer of the animals to Sorna would probably be monitored by local military helicopters and ships, and maybe even televised (like the T. rex from San Diego), so it certainly won’t be easy implementing their plan. Maybe we would find out that Biosyn has made a secret deal with some corrupt Costa Rican politicians and military officials to somehow dupe the world into believing that the animals were transferred to Sorna. Maybe they would send some dinosaurs to Sorna on board a few cargo ships, with helicopters and camera crews to monitor and film the transfer. Then they would transfer their own set of dinosaurs to their headquarters when it’s safe to do so without getting caught. Somehow, Owen learns of Biosyn’s scheme and is then kidnapped by them so he cannot reveal their plans. But they don’t kill him, because they know his skills as a raptor trainer will come in handy for capturing Blue so they can add her to their collection (if they haven’t already gotten her).

Simultaneously, there is another company with dinosaur DNA: the one that got Wu off of Nublar after the second incident (since Wu already has embryos, it seems to make sense that it’s a separate company [Biosyn] or group that is taking the animals off the island, since they don’t have DNA like Wu does). This could mean some kind of rivalry between the two companies, with the second company forcing Wu to continue making deadly dinosaurs that could be weaponized and then sold. To wipe out the competition, maybe the company that Wu works for would unleash some raptors that kill off Biosyn’s top scientists, as both an act of deadly corporate sabotage and as a demonstration to potential buyers of the dinosaurs’ lethality.

I’m not sure where the submarine fits into the story, but I theorize that Owen is on board it, since he used to be in the Navy and Pratt has filmed underwater scenes. Maybe the submarine would be used to find out what Biosyn is up to, by secretly approaching their suspected headquarters, which perhaps might be located on a nearby island (maybe one of the Five Deaths). Then Biosyn would spot the submarine and unleash a Baryonyx to take it down.

A slightly alternate storyline: maybe Lockwood is not involved with Biosyn and is actually the head of the company that kidnapped Wu. This could be very interesting, since they presumably would have known each other in the ‘80s when the technology was being developed. Otherwise, the story would basically be the same as described above: Lockwood and his company have Wu and the embryos, while Biosyn has Nublar and is taking the animals off the island.

Jurassic Park II: The Chaos Continues also features a volcano, which Biosyn (after being defeated ) activates with bombs in an attempt to destroy the island. For the film, maybe Biosyn is the one who sets off the volcano in the first place, all part of their grand scheme (they need a good excuse to take dinosaurs off the island).
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:42 pm

Im thinking that AFJU might have it right. Only the twist is that the volcano is the reason for the evacuation given, and then during the removal of dinosaurs, a mole on the team could activate the bombs to falsely create a sense of urgency and ensure that the rest of the dinosaurs are destroyed.

And yeah I do think some will go to Sorna to make it seem legit, and the other go to the 'auction' as indicated by the 'auction guest' credit on imdb.

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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:24 am

Going by Colin's recent comments about their being a big action sequence in the middle of the film & then the second half of the film will be more suspenseful, I think the film will play into two half's :

First half will mostly be focused on organising the rescue mission on Nublar, introducing new & old characters & the rescue mission itself of the Dinos where the main action of the film will take place before a shift of events in Lockwood's favour once the Dinos are captured.

The second half will mostly take place at the Lockwood manor when most of the film's characters will come together to confront & side with Lockwood. I speculate the rumored big event set to take place is a Dinosaur Auction for the wealthy in which something will go horribly wrong & then they escape into the neighbouring forests surrounding the property. Now the new Epoch will begin & the start of a Jurassic World once again.

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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:25 am

Like dance2nite said above:

Act 1 - Setting up the volcanic eruption and campaigns to save the helpless Dinosaurs.

Act 2 - The team including Owen and Claire somehow going to Isla Nublar to save the Dinosaurs.

Act 3 - The Dinosaurs have been brought to the manor and somehow escape.

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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:53 am

@dance2nite wrote:
Going by Colin's recent comments about their being a big action sequence in the middle of the film & then the second half of the film will be more suspenseful, I think the film will play into two half's :

First half will mostly be focused on organising the rescue mission on Nublar, introducing new & old characters & the rescue mission itself of the Dinos where the main action of the film will take place before a shift of events in Lockwood's favour once the Dinos are captured.

The second half will mostly take place at the Lockwood manor when most of the film's characters will come together to confront & side with Lockwood. I speculate the rumored big event set to take place is a Dinosaur Auction for the wealthy in which something will go horribly wrong & then they escape into the neighbouring forests surrounding the property. Now the new Epoch will begin & the start of a Jurassic World once again.

The End... Razz

Yeah the dino auction is definitely happening I think. The volcano explosion will take place in middle, and the characters will believe its over...but then something will happen and the explosion will be revealed to be sabotage and someone will betray the team by leading pirates to take over one of the boats. (a imdb listing labeled mercenaries) Yeah. I do think that Lockwood will die in the end too if he is truly behind this and wouldn't be surprised if Wu escapes again.

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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:56 am

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@dance2nite wrote:
Going by Colin's recent comments about their being a big action sequence in the middle of the film & then the second half of the film will be more suspenseful, I think the film will play into two half's :

First half will mostly be focused on organising the rescue mission on Nublar, introducing new & old characters & the rescue mission itself of the Dinos where the main action of the film will take place before a shift of events in Lockwood's favour once the Dinos are captured.

The second half will mostly take place at the Lockwood manor when most of the film's characters will come together to confront & side with Lockwood. I speculate the rumored big event set to take place is a Dinosaur Auction for the wealthy in which something will go horribly wrong & then they escape into the neighbouring forests surrounding the property. Now the new Epoch will begin & the start of a Jurassic World once again.

The End... Razz

Yeah the dino auction is definitely happening I think. The volcano explosion will take place in middle, and the characters will believe its over...but then something will happen and the explosion will be revealed to be sabotage and someone will betray the team by leading pirates to take over one of the boats. (a imdb listing labeled mercenaries) Yeah. I do think that Lockwood will die in the end too if he is truly behind this and wouldn't be surprised if Wu escapes again.

I feel like Daniella Pineda is gonna be the traitor among them.
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:23 pm

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@Sickle_Claw wrote:
@dance2nite wrote:
Going by Colin's recent comments about their being a big action sequence in the middle of the film & then the second half of the film will be more suspenseful, I think the film will play into two half's :

First half will mostly be focused on organising the rescue mission on Nublar, introducing new & old characters & the rescue mission itself of the Dinos where the main action of the film will take place before a shift of events in Lockwood's favour once the Dinos are captured.

The second half will mostly take place at the Lockwood manor when most of the film's characters will come together to confront & side with Lockwood. I speculate the rumored big event set to take place is a Dinosaur Auction for the wealthy in which something will go horribly wrong & then they escape into the neighbouring forests surrounding the property. Now the new Epoch will begin & the start of a Jurassic World once again.

The End... Razz

Yeah the dino auction is definitely happening I think. The volcano explosion will take place in middle, and the characters will believe its over...but then something will happen and the explosion will be revealed to be sabotage and someone will betray the team by leading pirates to take over one of the boats. (a imdb listing labeled mercenaries) Yeah. I do think that Lockwood will die in the end too if he is truly behind this and wouldn't be surprised if Wu escapes again.

I feel like Daniella Pineda is gonna be the traitor among them.

Me too. if you notice some of the peoples instagram things, it seems for hawaii scenes she is not shooting same days as Claire/Owen which makes me think she gets 'separated' from them during a dino encounter and then they dont find her until later and she gives a kind of suspicious excuse for it.

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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:20 pm

@Sickle_Claw wrote:
@Six-Foot Turkey wrote:
@Sickle_Claw wrote:
@dance2nite wrote:
Going by Colin's recent comments about their being a big action sequence in the middle of the film & then the second half of the film will be more suspenseful, I think the film will play into two half's :

First half will mostly be focused on organising the rescue mission on Nublar, introducing new & old characters & the rescue mission itself of the Dinos where the main action of the film will take place before a shift of events in Lockwood's favour once the Dinos are captured.

The second half will mostly take place at the Lockwood manor when most of the film's characters will come together to confront & side with Lockwood. I speculate the rumored big event set to take place is a Dinosaur Auction for the wealthy in which something will go horribly wrong & then they escape into the neighbouring forests surrounding the property. Now the new Epoch will begin & the start of a Jurassic World once again.

The End... Razz

Yeah the dino auction is definitely happening I think. The volcano explosion will take place in middle, and the characters will believe its over...but then something will happen and the explosion will be revealed to be sabotage and someone will betray the team by leading pirates to take over one of the boats. (a imdb listing labeled mercenaries) Yeah. I do think that Lockwood will die in the end too if he is truly behind this and wouldn't be surprised if Wu escapes again.

I feel like Daniella Pineda is gonna be the traitor among them.

Me too. if you notice some of the peoples instagram things, it seems for hawaii scenes she is not shooting same days as Claire/Owen which makes me think she gets 'separated' from them during a dino encounter and then they dont find her until later and she gives a kind of suspicious excuse for it.

Unless Claire and Owen are their own separate team and Daniella is part of another team similar to TLW. Maybe lead by Ted Levine.
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:33 pm

@Six-Foot Turkey wrote:
@Sickle_Claw wrote:
@dance2nite wrote:
Going by Colin's recent comments about their being a big action sequence in the middle of the film & then the second half of the film will be more suspenseful, I think the film will play into two half's :

First half will mostly be focused on organising the rescue mission on Nublar, introducing new & old characters & the rescue mission itself of the Dinos where the main action of the film will take place before a shift of events in Lockwood's favour once the Dinos are captured.

The second half will mostly take place at the Lockwood manor when most of the film's characters will come together to confront & side with Lockwood. I speculate the rumored big event set to take place is a Dinosaur Auction for the wealthy in which something will go horribly wrong & then they escape into the neighbouring forests surrounding the property. Now the new Epoch will begin & the start of a Jurassic World once again.

The End... Razz

Yeah the dino auction is definitely happening I think. The volcano explosion will take place in middle, and the characters will believe its over...but then something will happen and the explosion will be revealed to be sabotage and someone will betray the team by leading pirates to take over one of the boats. (a imdb listing labeled mercenaries) Yeah. I do think that Lockwood will die in the end too if he is truly behind this and wouldn't be surprised if Wu escapes again.

I feel like Daniella Pineda is gonna be the traitor among them.
That will be awesome.

Wu escaping again? My dream, my dream guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:10 pm

If Wu escapes again I will be like... lol!

How can a man be so lucky, first JP, then JW, then possibly these events, surely if he doesn't bite the dust in this he will in the final film...
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PostSubject: Re: Speculate what the plot could be about   Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:11 pm

@dance2nite wrote:
If Wu escapes again I will be like... lol!

How can a man be so lucky, first JP, then JW, then possibly these events, surely if he doesn't bite the dust in this he will in the final film...
You guys are lucky I'm not the director, he would surelly as hell escape laughing at everyone.  Laughing

If Malcolm can escape 3 times, why not the creator of the dinosaurs?

Cause he's too damn awesome to die in this one. I wish he could live until JW3 so he died in the last chapter. But anyway, I already accepted my defeat.

Too bad some haters will have the last laugh, specially one that posted in JPL but I'm glad he's away from here.  Cool
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