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Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Happy National Avian Dino Day 2024!
JD-man

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Search in: Dinosaur Jungles   Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Happy National Avian Dino Day 2024!    Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeSat Jan 27, 2024 12:07 am
I originally posted the following at deviantART ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Happy-National-Avian-Dino-Day-2024-1014779016 ).

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Hi everybody!

I originally wasn't planning on posting anything here this month. However, while on Christmas/New Year's holiday, I visited the Trevor Zoo for the 1st times in many years ( https://www.instagram.com/p/C1lbhZrMfbr/ ). In honor of National Bird Day ( https://www.avianwelfare.org/nationalbirdday/ ), I wanna share my mementos of said times (+ a Youtube comment) w/you.

Cheers,
Herman Diaz

Memento #1) The "Across The Pond: Trevor Zoo at 75" DVD (Front: https://archive.ph/CGXOL/9e40873a4ea00c24f93bb8d0969ae403ccf4ef90.jpg ) (Back: https://archive.ph/jjBtz/dd8428abf957770b59378f669ff58e60522947ed.jpg ): Like my favorite dino museum books ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Top-4-natural-histories-of-dinos-758236511 ), this DVD is not the same as visiting the zoo in person, but it IS the next best thing, maybe even better when it comes to historical behind-the-scenes stuff 😉 (E.g. This bonus feature clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25pc8XCYk8o ). Furthermore, IDK if/when I'll be able to go back in person (I.e. Even if I do go back to NY on my next holiday, the weather might not be as nice).

Memento #2) The "Advice from a Hawk: Rise Above it All! Your True Nature" bookmark ( https://archive.ph/PQ9fi/6bf71242f3933e5879c218a252134b42b96ea3c4.jpg ): When I 1st saw this bookmark, not only did its illustration remind me of how beautiful the red-tailed hawk in particular is (hence the cover image), but its advice really resonated w/me, reminding me of how awesome raptors in general are (& thus, how much I wish to be more like them): As you may remember, "my favorite non-bird dinos are eudromaeosaurs in general b/c they're basically "terrestrial hawks" in terms of ecology/behavior" ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-My-favorite-artworks-of-Deinonychus-948529444 ); Similarly, my favorite birds are accipitrids in general b/c they're what I like to call the Apex of Avian Awesomeness (Put another way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyLl3K3R8Xk ) & the golden eagle/red-tailed hawk in particular b/c it's the archetypal eagle/hawk, respectively (Eagle: https://archive.org/details/Wildlife_Specials/Eagle.avi ) (Hawk: https://www.tehachapinews.com/lifestyle/pen-in-hand-wonder-bird-a-closer-look-at-a/article_d47df6a6-ba67-59b5-912d-3ec3620763d8.html ); In contrast, according to "What dinosaur are you?" (I.e. The most scientifically-accurate dino personality quiz AFAIK 😉 : https://web.archive.org/web/20200416161003/https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-dinosaur-are-you.html ), my spirit dino is either Iguanodon or Plateosaurus, 2 very ecologically-similar genera (For more info about what I mean: https://prehistoricbeastoftheweek.blogspot.com/p/list-of-prehistoric-animals.html ); Yes, all dinos are awesome, but some dinos are more awesome than others, especially raptors & especially compared to my spirit dino.

Youtube comment) The "Did Raptor Dinosaurs Hunt In Packs? (Paleo Myths #6)" video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdEfu0Kius4 ): I was about to post this journal entry yesterday when Raptor Red Writes posted said video. While not as big a deal as Animalogic's Velociraptor video ( https://www.deviantart.com/jd-man/journal/SD-Please-do-better-Animalogic-983333583 ), it's still very relevant to said entry, hence the inclusion of my comment. Yes, both of my favorite birds are known to hunt cooperatively at least sometimes (See Ellis et al. 1993/Tumlison 2012 & the sources cited therein for the eagle/hawk, respectively).

Again, sorry for repeating myself. I don't wanna keep doing that, especially given how much I relate to you as a non-expert reviewer of dino media. In fact, when I started this video, I was hopeful that it'd be more balanced than your previous takes on the pack-hunting eudromaeosaur hypothesis, mostly b/c you included Maxwell/Ostrom 1995. However, I was quickly disappointed by the following:

-1) Your continued over-reliance on Roach/Brinkman 2007 & Frederickson et al. 2020, which are very flawed for reasons I discuss elsewhere (See "SD: Top 4 most annoyingly-popular dino hypotheses" & "SD: Most annoyingly-popular dino hypotheses addend"). At 1st, I thought you were trying to be neutral & present each argument as is. However, AFAICT, you only did that for those arguments against said hypothesis, seemingly ignoring/downplaying aspects of those for said hypothesis: For 1, you didn't even mention MOR 682, let alone discuss it; For another, last I checked, "the family scenario seems most likely" for the Utahraptor mega-block (See "Locked in Time: Animal Behavior Unearthed in 50 Extraordinary Fossils" & the sources cited therein); For yet another, see #3 below for Li et al. 2007.

-2) Your ignoring pack-hunting in non-Harris' birds despite my repeated references to Ellis et al. 1993 (Most recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97D_mtWqTKU&lc=UgwQXWulSDCNzv3AxlR4AaABAg ). Besides those "many raptorial birds" & others, there are also corvids & shrikes (See Yosef/Yosef 2010 & the sources cited therein) & ground hornbills (See Farlow 1976 & the sources cited therein).

-3) Your Li et al. 2007 claim at ~16:30. In actuality, "it is clear that the animals were not hunting at the time" (See "At long last, Dromeosaur tracks!"). To quote Bakker, "predators don’t usually hang out in groups if they don’t hunt together. Tigers are like this — they mostly hunt alone, and you don’t see bunches of tigers lying around together. But lions are social predators. They hunt and raise their young and sleep and snore together" (See "Raptor Pack"). The "raise their young[…]together" part is especially important b/c "cooperative hunting[…]is generally related to cooperative breeding" (See "Possible social foraging behavior in the Red-backed Hawk"). Li et al. 2007 seems to agree ("The discovery of six parallel, closely spaced D. shandongensis trackways provides compelling, independent evidence for at least occasional[...]“pack” or family group[...]behavior in the track-making animals, comparable to what has been demonstrated in other dinosaurs").
Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3
Rhedosaurus

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3    Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jul 10, 2017 8:40 pm
Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Rhedosaurus wrote:
Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Whatculture article- Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom- 8 Reasons Why Fans Should be Worried.

http://whatculture.com/film/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-8-reasons-why-the-fans-should-be-worried?rf=homepage

^ Proof that these so called "writers" don't have to do a lick of actual research before creating a clickbait article.

My favorite is #3- Colin Trevorrow's absence. Whatculture is one of the sites that routinely runs JW into the ground, and now they're saying that his absence should worry fans xD


To be fair, I do agree with point 6. Unless the JP3 Spino gets ret-conned as a T. rex/Spino hybrid made to protect the 'pure' Spinos from T. rex attack (my idea is that they were being wiped out until the JP3 Spino came along), then the Indoraptor should be the last hybrid.


#6 is probably the only point I somewhat agree with as well.

The rest of it is mostly hogwash though.


I'm still slightly worried that we might see a homocraptor in JP6/JW3, but I don't think that's likely since the backlash would be worse then the notorious fight scene in JP3.
Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3
Tyrant Lizard

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3    Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeMon Jul 10, 2017 4:46 pm
Rhedosaurus wrote:
Tyrant Lizard wrote:
Whatculture article- Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom- 8 Reasons Why Fans Should be Worried.

http://whatculture.com/film/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-8-reasons-why-the-fans-should-be-worried?rf=homepage

^ Proof that these so called "writers" don't have to do a lick of actual research before creating a clickbait article.

My favorite is #3- Colin Trevorrow's absence. Whatculture is one of the sites that routinely runs JW into the ground, and now they're saying that his absence should worry fans xD


To be fair, I do agree with point 6. Unless the JP3 Spino gets ret-conned as a T. rex/Spino hybrid made to protect the 'pure' Spinos from T. rex attack (my idea is that they were being wiped out until the JP3 Spino came along), then the Indoraptor should be the last hybrid.


#6 is probably the only point I somewhat agree with as well.

The rest of it is mostly hogwash though.
Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Forum_10Topic: Mystery of the 8(?) Male T. rex maquettes!
CT-1138

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Search in: Film Universe   Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe EmptySubject: Mystery of the 8(?) Male T. rex maquettes!    Topics tagged under 6 on Jurassic Mainframe Icon_minitimeTue Jun 07, 2016 9:35 pm
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Although the T-rex had been sculpted and molded for the first movie--making the resculpting of the character unnecessary--some additional sculpture work was required to create a male version that would be distinguishable from the female. "Even though the male would have different coloring", explained effects supervisor Shane Mahan, "we were concerned that, under certain lighting conditions it would be very hard to tell the two rexes apart. So, on the computer, I started manipulating photographs of the original T-rex. I did a series of eight different head shapes, all of which were submitted to Steven for approval.

Spielberg approved a male T-rex head that had an added neck wattle, a more prominent brow bone, and a battle scarred face. "There is a lot of science now to support the idea that carnivores like the T-rexes would have been really scarred up," Mahan Said, "with broken arms and legs and teeth knocked out. It makes sense, because they would have been battling each other for food all the time. In this film, the animals were in a more natural, wild , environment, rather than the safe containment of the man-made park, and that wpuld mean scarred bodies. Between the battle scars, the extended brow line, and the neck wattle, the male was a really distinctive animal." ... (Duncan, The Making of The Lost World: Jurassic Park)

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...Shane Mahan produced eight male head designs by digitally manipulating photographic images of the original T-rex, then translated the approved concept into three dimensions, sculpting scars, neck wattle, and a pronounced brow ridge directly onto a replica of the original head of the original head for molding and the running of the new skins. John Rosengrant designed the paint scheme for the male T-rex on a maquette and then executed the paint job on the full-size character with some help from Trevor Hensley. ... (Duncan, The Winston Effect)

So, there's the story of the origin to our beloved big, mean, green machine that shredded up a Mercedes and stomped all over San Diego. BUT, I think there's a piece missing to this story, a piece that's hinted at between both stories. Both state that Shane Mahan came up with 8 head designs, and The Winston Effect adds a vital clue where it states that the final approved concept was transferred to 3D. I think that it's quite possible that more than just the approved concept made it to the sculpting table, and that it's very well possible that all 8 had been sculpted in maquette form. I've compiled the 3 maquettes that I know of below listed by potential order of conception.


Maquette #1)
-Description: A sort of beigish green color, no neck wattle, no scars, only has the pronounced brow ridge. Maquette was not approved by Spielberg.
-Image(s):
Spoiler:


Maquette #2)
-Description: ?
-Image(s): ?


Maquette #3)
-Description: ?
-Image(s): ?


Maquette #4)
-Description: ?
-Image(s): ?


Maquette #5)
-Description: ?
-Image(s): ?


Maquette #6)
-Description: The color scheme is closer to the finalized maquette, yet the wattle is not fully there. The striping pattern is also more broken. The right arm, also may have been broken as indicated by the odd posture.
-Image(s): Partially painted image:
Spoiler:


Bronzed #6 Macquette)
-Description: Retooled from the original #6 maquette by Jim Charmatz, the sculpt was changed to an even more dynamic pose from the original, opening the mouth more, and altering the feet a bit. One individual that came from a collector in China had a friend repaint the bronze into more lifelike colors, as seen below in the images section. This particular maquette currently resides in the collection of forum member Jerassic.
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Painted Copy-
Spoiler:
Images of the original bronze version-
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The bronze maquette currently resides in the collection of Mr. John Lanzendorf, a renowned dinosaur art collector living in Chicago, Illinois-
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Maquette #7)
-Description: This one is the closest to the final approved maquette. It features all the details of the final maquette with slight differences. The neck wattle is slightly smaller than that of the final maquette, and the colors are slightly more vibrant. This maquette is most easily differentiated from the final by the arms, the left of which having a different posing. This maquette was not approved by Spielberg.
-Images(s):
Spoiler:


Maquette #8)
-Description: This was the finalized maquette, using a distinctive stone base. The neck wattle on this model is the largest, and being that this was the chosen maquette, it's possible to speculate that Spielberg had been interested in seeing a T. rex with a large wattle under it's neck. This maquette was used on set as well as by ILM, who scanned the model into the computer in order to create the CGI representation of the animal. This maquette was approved by Spielberg and is the closest visual we have of the TLW Buck other than the animatronic pre-repaint for JP///. This maquette is in fact the TLW Male T. rex. In props terms, this would be referred to as the "hero" maquette; the primary maquette used for production purposes, including being recasted for JP///. This maquette was further used in promotional and merchandising material for TLW, JP///, and beyond.
-Image(s):
Spoiler:


The problem, however, is that this leaves us with possibly five unaccounted for maquettes for the male alone, not counting the female maquette for TLW and the bronze recast(s-?) of maquette 2, 3, 4, or 5. I say possibly, because I discussed this with someone who talked to one of the SWS sculptors who worked on them, and he remembers there only be 2.
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