Trevorrow vs Johnston

CT-1138 wrote:

For all its faults, I have to give JP/// one major credit and that's that it atmospherically was very much a JP film. It's writing was shit, it's pacing was way too fast, it's music was run of the mill, and the acting was mediocre, but the sets were still pretty good and the atmosphere they created still felt like a JP movie. This is something I sadly cannot say of JW. The sets were sterile and the on location jungle just felt... off. Despite filming only an island away, you can tell it's Oahu and not Kauai. Something about it just doesn't feel like Kauai. The jungle genuinely does not feel like Kauai's. It doesn't effect JP because they didn't film any jungle scenes on Oahu, just the Gallimimus stampede in a very open valley. The rest of the movie's on location was Kauai, and you can tell. It's just somehow different from Oahu. Johnston, either because he wanted to keep that continuity, or just because he thought it would be a good idea, understood this and knew what it took to visually make a JP movie, even if he didn't understand how to direct one.

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

I still don't understand why Jurassic Park 3's Isla Sorna looks so different. It felt like it was on Nublar rather than Sorna.

That's because most of the on location work was done on Kauai, where they filmed on location for the first movie. Honestly, it's not THAT different. TLW is pretty much 50/50 classic jungle and redwood, and the closer the survivors move into the island interior, the more classic jungle we see. It just SEEMS like a stark difference because there's no redwoods in JP///. However, Cathy's Beach, the ending shot, some parts of the trek were all filmed on Kauai, and the Hunter's Camp, the camp on the ridge, the jungle at the edge of the long grass, and the Worker Village all have classic jungle foliage.

And that’s why I like JP3. It’s such a minor thing that makes a huge difference in my eyes. The atmosphere, the animatronics and Dr Grant make me film at home in a Jurassic Park film. I think the movie has a magic to it that still wasn’t lost on Johnston because of the things he included. Even though the story is basically a complete afterthought.

I like some of his other work for the same reasons.

Troyal1 wrote:

CT-1138 wrote:

For all its faults, I have to give JP/// one major credit and that's that it atmospherically was very much a JP film. It's writing was shit, it's pacing was way too fast, it's music was run of the mill, and the acting was mediocre, but the sets were still pretty good and the atmosphere they created still felt like a JP movie. This is something I sadly cannot say of JW. The sets were sterile and the on location jungle just felt... off. Despite filming only an island away, you can tell it's Oahu and not Kauai. Something about it just doesn't feel like Kauai. The jungle genuinely does not feel like Kauai's. It doesn't effect JP because they didn't film any jungle scenes on Oahu, just the Gallimimus stampede in a very open valley. The rest of the movie's on location was Kauai, and you can tell. It's just somehow different from Oahu. Johnston, either because he wanted to keep that continuity, or just because he thought it would be a good idea, understood this and knew what it took to visually make a JP movie, even if he didn't understand how to direct one.

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

I still don't understand why Jurassic Park 3's Isla Sorna looks so different. It felt like it was on Nublar rather than Sorna.

That's because most of the on location work was done on Kauai, where they filmed on location for the first movie. Honestly, it's not THAT different. TLW is pretty much 50/50 classic jungle and redwood, and the closer the survivors move into the island interior, the more classic jungle we see. It just SEEMS like a stark difference because there's no redwoods in JP///. However, Cathy's Beach, the ending shot, some parts of the trek were all filmed on Kauai, and the Hunter's Camp, the camp on the ridge, the jungle at the edge of the long grass, and the Worker Village all have classic jungle foliage.

And that’s why I like JP3. It’s such a minor thing that makes a huge difference in my eyes. The atmosphere, the animatronics and Dr Grant make me film at home in a Jurassic Park film. I think the movie has a magic to it that still wasn’t lost on Johnston because of the things he included. Even though the story is basically a complete afterthought.

I like some of his other work for the same reasons.

Between reading about the good things JP3 did and watching this You Tube vid, I'm only more mad that JP3 was a piece of crap that was made for the sake of Universal getting a JP trilogy. The higher ups only cared about that and not about making JP3 good, or at least respectable.

My Choice? Even though I really hate many of the things he has done to the franchise If had to pick one I would have to go with Colin. At least he seems to somewhat ineract with the fans.

While Joe did many things that he was fully aware that fans could hate and he stilll did them while giving this vibe that he was nonchalant about it.

(The Alan Ellie breakup wich cancels the end of JP, the I know T Rex is the icon but let's try as hard as we can to make it look bad and the jabs at a fan favorite character like Malcolm.)

#TRexSpinorematch wrote:

My Choice? Colin. At least he seems to  somewhat pay attention to what the fans want.

While Joe did many things that he was fully aware that fans could hate and he stilll did them while  giving this vibe that he was nonchalant about it.

(The Alan Ellie breakup wich cancels the end of JP, the I know T Rex is the icon but let's try as hard as we can to make it look bad and the jabs at a fan favorite character like Malcolm.)

I swear to god this is a sincere question and is not meant to troll you.

What if Colin says there will be no rematch. But Joe says there will be one if he is the director, and that the Rex will win.

Would that influence you enough?

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

Have you seen The Book of Henry?

Not yet, since here in Italy it comes out in November. I've heard both good and bad words about it.

owenpratt wrote:

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

Have you seen The Book of Henry?

Not yet, since here in Italy it comes out in November. I've heard both good and bad words about it.

That film shows a distinctive style from Trevorrow, imo. The camera work and shot choices as well as the editing. Pretty good in that regard!

Looking back now?

Neither.

Trevorrow for sure, I mean JW & very likely Dominion >>>> JP3

Jusr saw some leaks on Reddit about Jurassic World Dominion...

All I have to say is that Colin Trevorow has made the impossible.... Even more damsge to the franchise than Joe Johnston and Kathleen Kennedy ever did combined.

Honestly, I wouldn't trust the leaks 100% - sure through and through it is probably what will occur but false clickbait leaks & fan over expectations is what truly kills a franchise. Its happened to DC and Marvel,Of course it will happen here.

TRK/TrexKing wrote:

Honestly, I wouldn't trust the leaks 100% - sure through and through it is probably what will occur but  false clickbait leaks & fan over expectations is what truly kills a franchise. Its happened to DC and Marvel,Of course it will happen here.

So far every leak has been very accurate...

Not to mention...The leaks really sound like something Colin Trevorrow would very much do...

What leaks? Tell me what was so bad?

IMO Trevorrow. Been a fan of both JW films though I do like JP3 it's my least favorite.

Jurassic Fan 1994 wrote:

What leaks? Tell me what was so bad?

Check your private messages.

Or you can google them. Google Reddit Jurassic World Dominion Leaks.

As far as having more of Spielberg's direction more distilled into their style and practice, I would say Johnston wins this hands down. Just looking at films like The Rocketeer,, Jumanji, and October Sky and it's clear that he is one of Spielberg's best protegees. The problem was that even if he wanted to go all-in on a sequel to Jurassic Park, the writing teams he had just weren't coming up with anything substantial or worthwhile, and that showed in the haphazard and draining production. As much as JP3 remains my least favourite of the first three films, it could have been a lot worse in different hands, it could have been handed to The Mummy's Stephen Sommers. I think with a proper, finished script, and less interference from Jack Horner, Joe could have ended the trilogy on a high note.

With Trevorrow, I admit I've been in this guy's corner for a long time; he gets compared to JJ Abrams a lot, and while my opinion of JJ has plummetted my view of Colin is mostly steady, some ups and downs but nothing drastic, yet. With that in mind, I think he's still one of the more middling choices for those who could have directed Jurassic World; not the worst but certainly no Alex Garland. I think he could have leaned further away from fanservicey bits (the night vision goggles for example), but it remains for me an enjoyable ride and an intriguing "what-if" scenario with its own set of interesting implications. It succeeds more as a monster movie with sci-fi elements than as a science fiction film with action, which the first film is. The feeling at the time was that the 14 year frustration with how JP3 handled its giant theropods had finally been given closure, especially with the park closed as a result of hubris, and the T. rex claiming the island for herself. When I walked out of the cinema in 2015, I felt like it was the closing of a chapter of sorts. It didn't beat TLW for best sequel, but it was a respectable singular follow-up. That's why I voted Colin back in the day, but my view on him as Spielberg's protegee hasn't held up in the same way Joe clearly is.

The thing is...Spielberg is a little bit too hands off with his "proteges"... He dosen't seem to mentor them really...He was very hands off in JP3, that was all Horner, Johnston and Kennedy.

Same thing with JW, that was almost all Colin and Dereck Connolly.

And while Colin did include nods to the original and easter eggs...I wouldn't call Colin fan servicey...Given how he does not seem to care about anything TLW or JP3 (fans had to pressure him to make more references to those .movies), he destroyed Nublar, brushed off Sorna to websites, and how he has turned the most popular and iconic species in the franchise into the giant therapods that always easily lose against other giant therapods (Like seriously how the.heck is that a good move?)....That seems to be the opposite of a fan servicey director...That almost borders on Rian Johnsonesque behavior (if not worse) in the sense that they are destroying everyting yet act like everything is all right and nothing is happening.

All in all... Colin Trevorrow has just been like one of those situations where you say "This is so bad it can not get worse"....And it gets worse.... and worse... and worse....

Not to say that Colin doesn't have his flaws as a person or as a filmmaker, but he really doesn't strike me as a Rian Johnson type. Johnson's choices in The Last Jedi felt very deliberate in its contempt for the very setting of the story and the audience. Something I don't think Abrams or Trevorrow actively display, as much as I may criticise both over different issues.

In particular, Johnson strikes me as a guy who really rubs a lot of people the wrong way (just ask Mark Hamill or John Boyega). In the future, it would be interesting to hear that certain key cast members of the films Trevorrow directed found him exhibiting similar behaviour to Johnson, and making actors exceedingly uncomfortable with said choices (like not telling Mark Hamill that Luke is killed off until seeing it at the premiere, I believe there's a video of it).

Sorna was briefly mentioned in Fallen Kingdom not just on the website but that was the only pace to get new information on Sorna.

I like Colin Trevorrow and I really like the Jurassic World films. Every film in the franchise I have enjoyed to various degrees.

BarrytheOnyx wrote:

Not to say that Colin doesn't have his flaws as a person or as a filmmaker, but he really doesn't strike me as a Rian Johnson type. Johnson's choices in The Last Jedi felt very deliberate in its contempt for the very setting of the story and the audience. Something I don't think Abrams or Trevorrow actively display, as much as I may criticise both over different issues.

In particular, Johnson strikes me as a guy who really rubs a lot of people the wrong way (just ask Mark Hamill or John Boyega). In the future, it would be interesting to hear that certain key cast members of the films Trevorrow directed found him exhibiting similar behaviour to Johnson, and making actors exceedingly uncomfortable with said choices (like not telling Mark Hamill that Luke is killed off until seeing it at the premiere, I believe there's a video of it).

Yeah maybe Colin is not as arrogant as Rian Johnson but they do have one thing in common. They just do not seem to care about ruining (or at least diminishing the franchises icons).

Johnson was like "So people love Luke because he was a brave noble hero who saved the galaxy right? So the best way to go is to turn him into a coward that does nothing and a faliure and then blame the fans for not loving that take".

Colin has more or less done the same, "So people love T Rexes Right? The first 2 films doubled down on them being the apex predators thus making them the most popular dinosaurs in history right? So we need to continue to make almost every film about how all other giant therapods can all very easily defeat T Rexes in very few seconds".

I just can not see how the heck did any of them (Colin and Rian) thought those were good ideas....

In fairness to Johnston, I can't help but wonder if he'd be more fondly remembered if JP3 had a proper script that was written with care and common sense.

Rhedosaurus wrote:

In fairness to Johnston, I can't help but wonder if he'd be more fondly remembered if JP3 had a proper script that was written with care and common sense.

I think it was he himself the one who threw out the original script while filming and decided to start all over.

Not to mention...Where was Kathleen Kennedy in all of that?

She was the producer and she is seen by some as this oh so great producer...Yet she has been in charge of quite a few of the most disliked sequels in history.