Jurassic World 3 Will Celebrate Entire Jurassic Franchise, May Not Be Final Sequel

Colin Trevorrow is getting ready for Jurassic World 3 and he teased where it's going. Additionally, the director commented on the original Jurassic Park cast rumors that have been circulating over the last few months. Trevorrow is returning to the franchise after J.A. Bayona directed last year's Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, which was a bit divisive amongst fans and critics. With that being said, it sounds like Trevorrow has something special planned for the third installment.

Jurassic World 3 isn't set to hit theaters until 2021, so there's still a lot of work that needs to be done behind-the-scenes before the cameras start rolling. Colin Trevorrow is already hard at work on the highly anticipated sequel and getting the story just right. He had this to say when asked if the movie will be the last in the Jurassic World series.

"I'm kind of a one movie at a time kind of guy, so my eyes are on this one. And it's a celebration of everything that has existed in the franchise up until now."
A celebration of everything from the Jurassic Park franchise until now sure sounds like there might be more than a grain of truth to those original cast rumors. However, when asked about Laura Dern, Jeff Goldblum, and Sam Neill returning, Trevorrow said, "I can confirm nothing. But nothing would make me happier than to be able to work with any of those people." While that is not a confirmation, it sure sounds like something special may be in the works for Jurassic Park 3, which should make fans pretty happy who have been waiting to hear anything about the upcoming movie.

Jeff Goldblum already appeared as Dr. Ian Malcom in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom and many fans were hoping Laura Dern's Doctor Ellie Sattler was also going to be included too. That was not the case, so the hope obviously transfers to the next installment. When star Bryce Dallas Howard was recently asked about her excitement around potentially starring alongside the original cast, she said, "Yes, very much so. I don't know what's been confirmed or whatever, but I'll blink if it's happening... maybe..." Again, this has not been officially confirmed, but there might be some good surprises coming around in 2021.

Colin Trevorrow was attached to direct The Rise of Skywalker, but was let go by Lucasfilm after working on the project for a few years. However, everything worked out for the director in the end and he's preparing to make Jurassic Park 3 a special treat for the fans. Whether or not the original Jurassic Park cast will return remains to be seen, but it wouldn't be too surprising to see everybody on the big screen with the new additions. You can check out the original interview with Colin Trevorrow over at Variety.

https://movieweb.com/jurassic-world-3-franchise-celebration-original-cast-returning/

Cant find the quote online, but my local paper did a piece on the ride opening and transcribed some of Colin Trevorrow's remarks regarding the original series.

“I also recognize that ultimately I didn’t create this. That is Michael Crichton and Steven Spielberg. They are why we are all here”"

So based on this, it's safe to say that Universal/Spielberg really are bent on the whole dinosaurs and humans living together bullcrap, huh? What's next? Dinosaurs being trained as pets? Dinosaurs and humans holding hands while Claire sings Kumbaya?

Sorry, but as a fan who holds this franchise up as a smarter more sophisticated franchise, none of this really makes me happy. Not after the direction the last movie set 3rd act.

What else is there really left to do with dinosaurs? You cant keep revisiting the island thing because theyve done that for 5 movies.

Dead2009 wrote:

You cant keep revisiting the island thing because theyve done that for 5 movies.

True, but that's no excuse to go down the entire 'man and dinosaurs living together' route, even more so considering mankinds long, ugly, and well documented neglect, if not outright abuse toward nature.

It's one thing for a backwards, economically dead, unstable 3rd world country to let dinosaurs run loose. A far more developed country like the U.S.A. or China? Fat chance.

It's a movie, not real life. Let's not start overreacting and overanalyzing every piece of news that comes out. It's what made talking about the last film dreadful.

Dead2009 wrote:

It's a movie, not real life.

Jurassic Park was unlike most other movie in that it was supposed to be smarter, more sophiticated movie. One that also used the most accurate depictions of dinosaurs. Even Spielberg himself said so.

By using the relativist arguement, which what you are clearly doing by saying "It's just a movie' you are ignoring-or simply not caring about-all those facts and thus saying that people shouldn't hold it to any standards, which in turn, also meants that you are saying that their is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those lazy, crappy "slurpasaur" movies (movies which lizards and alligators portray dinosaurs, often with fins and horns glued their bodies). That is not only false, but also a slap in the face to what made the first movie, as well as TLW, so speical and so unique compared to most others.

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"May Not Be Final Sequel"

Oh God.

They are just going to keep putting these out until there are diminishing returns, aren't they?

Well, to whoever is excited about that, more power to you. But if there's one thing I learned from Fallen Kingdom is that I don't really want new Jurassic Park movies just for the sake of having new Jurassic Park movies. All I want is a decent movie with likable characters and a plot that's not too dumb that ends this movie franchise on a nice note. That is literally all I ask (and that Trevorrow steps away from screenwriting duties, but that's not happening).

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Dead2009 wrote:

It's a movie, not real life.

Jurassic Park was unlike most other movie in that it was supposed to be smarter, more sophiticated movie. One that also used the most accurate depictions of dinosaurs. Even Spielberg himself said so.

By using the relativist arguement, which what you are clearly doing by saying "It's just a movie' you are ignoring-or simply not caring about-all those facts and thus saying that people shouldn't hold it to any standards, which in turn, also meants that you are saying that their is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those lazy, crappy "slurpasaur" movies (movies which lizards and alligators portray dinosaurs, often with fins and horns glued their bodies). That is not only false, but also a slap in the face to what made the first movie, as well as TLW, so speical and so unique compared to most others.

Again, it's a movie. Movies are designed to suspend one's belief. Nobody believes there's a giant fire breathing lizard attacking Tokyo. Nobody believes there's some supervillain that can snap his finger and half of the world's population just  disappears. Nobody believes that there's an intergalatic space war taking place on multiple planets. The same crap that plagued Fallen Kingdom's release that lead to multiple arguments on here will not happen again.

Dead2009 wrote:

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Dead2009 wrote:

It's a movie, not real life.

Jurassic Park was unlike most other movie in that it was supposed to be smarter, more sophiticated movie. One that also used the most accurate depictions of dinosaurs. Even Spielberg himself said so.

By using the relativist arguement, which what you are clearly doing by saying "It's just a movie' you are ignoring-or simply not caring about-all those facts and thus saying that people shouldn't hold it to any standards, which in turn, also meants that you are saying that their is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those lazy, crappy "slurpasaur" movies (movies which lizards and alligators portray dinosaurs, often with fins and horns glued their bodies). That is not only false, but also a slap in the face to what made the first movie, as well as TLW, so speical and so unique compared to most others.

Again, it's a movie. Movies are designed to suspend one's belief. Nobody believes there's a giant fire breathing lizard attacking Tokyo. Nobody believes there's some supervillain that can snap his finger and half of the world's population just  disappears. Nobody believes that there's an intergalatic space war taking place on multiple planets. The same crap that plagued Fallen Kingdom's release that lead to multiple arguments on here will not happen again.

Here's the thing. The JP franchise was orginally FAR more grounded in reality the Godzilla (who's a dinosaur) or the MCU. Genetics, cloning, ethics in science, those things are what made the first JP so great.

Also, Roland Emmerich more or less used the relativist arguement when making Zilla '98. It never occered to him by the time he was making that that Godzilla had become a metaphor for not only nuclear testing, but by the time the 90's came around, a nationalistic icon for Japan that was a cross between a force of natrure and a superhero.

Maybe you don't care about just how speical Jurassic Park was and still is. But some of us fans still do. Again, you are using the relativist arguement because you simply don't care about that or you don't know any of that, and thus, you are saying there is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those crappy slurpasaur movies or those bad dinosaur movies Asylum makes. And that is just a slap in the to JP.

Dude, stop being such a windbag.

Things change and evolve into other things all the time. I think the tone of the films are one of those and while there's some stuff I don't like (the lack of dinosaurs on Sorna now or just the unknown nature of it), there's a lot of new fresh stuff to enjoy (dinosaurs on the mainland for me). If we're getting additional films or stories it's nice to see it continue on in some way or form. No reason to hate something for the sake of it being new. That's toxic fandom right there.

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Dead2009 wrote:

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Dead2009 wrote:

It's a movie, not real life.

Jurassic Park was unlike most other movie in that it was supposed to be smarter, more sophiticated movie. One that also used the most accurate depictions of dinosaurs. Even Spielberg himself said so.

By using the relativist arguement, which what you are clearly doing by saying "It's just a movie' you are ignoring-or simply not caring about-all those facts and thus saying that people shouldn't hold it to any standards, which in turn, also meants that you are saying that their is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those lazy, crappy "slurpasaur" movies (movies which lizards and alligators portray dinosaurs, often with fins and horns glued their bodies). That is not only false, but also a slap in the face to what made the first movie, as well as TLW, so speical and so unique compared to most others.

Again, it's a movie. Movies are designed to suspend one's belief. Nobody believes there's a giant fire breathing lizard attacking Tokyo. Nobody believes there's some supervillain that can snap his finger and half of the world's population just  disappears. Nobody believes that there's an intergalatic space war taking place on multiple planets. The same crap that plagued Fallen Kingdom's release that lead to multiple arguments on here will not happen again.

Here's the thing. The JP franchise was orginally FAR more grounded in reality the Godzilla (who's a dinosaur) or the MCU. Genetics, cloning, ethics in science, those things are what made the first JP so great.

Also, Roland Emmerich more or less used the relativist arguement when making Zilla '98. It never occered to him by the time he was making that that Godzilla had become a metaphor for not only nuclear testing, but by the time the 90's came around, a nationalistic icon for Japan that was a cross between a force of natrure and a superhero.

Maybe you don't care about just how speical Jurassic Park was and still is. But some of us fans still do. Again, you are using the relativist arguement because you simply don't care about that or you don't know any of that, and thus, you are saying there is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those crappy slurpasaur movies or those bad dinosaur movies Asylum makes. And that is just a slap in the to JP.

No, I say that because at some point the discussion begins to turn toxic, like you're making an attempt to do so now. The discussion around Fallen Kingdom was incredibly toxic because people took the shit too seriously. It is FICTION. It is a way to escape REALITY. This level of reaction is almost on par with the people who are still flipping their shit over the Spinosaurus killing the T-Rex because one scientist decided it was possible. Movies are my way of avoiding the real world and I'm sure as hell not going to make it apart of such because I'm supposed to become emotionally invested in a story that's fake. Consider this a warning.

By the way, a T-Rex escaped in San Diego. It caused destruction and ate people. You know, a city that isn't apart of a 3rd world country.

Personally, I'm hoping that after JW3, the franchise branches off into spinoffs, rather than any more direct sequels. With dinosaurs apparently going global, it could open up the franchise in a way that was never possible before.

I would love to see different types of films, adventure films, horror films, more kid-friendly films, thrillers, etc...all set in the same universe, but all completely different from one another. A different style, tone, group of actors, and director for each film, but with every film still being under the Jurassic World umbrella. We could see a claustrophobic horror film involving raptors, or a thriller in the same vein as something like The Grey. Maybe a film more directed towards kids, something in the style of ET. Maybe a group of kids find a baby dinosaur. I'm just spitballing, but it would be a pretty cool way of expanding the franchise imo, and it wouldn't close the door on another full sequel or something like a prequel series either.

I wouldn't mind seeing a rated R Jurassic Park movie just for the sake of seeing how much the boundaries could be pushed with the gore.

Dead2009 wrote:

I wouldn't mind seeing a rated R Jurassic Park movie just for the sake of seeing how much the boundaries could be pushed with the gore.

I imagine it would be a smaller budget film, as big budget R rated films are a recipe for box office disaster. That may not be the worst thing in the world, though. For all those people complaining about the "bombastic" nature of the JW films, this could somewhat remedy that.

Unfortunately I don't think we could ever see an R rated Jurassic film since these are generally seen as "family films" in some ways. Now if we had a reboot and it was closer to the novel then maybe. Crichton's work does carry a level of suspense the films don't quite exactly meet in a sustained fashion.

I admit, it would be nice for a more horror-centric vibe like a single dinosaur stalking a family on a camping trip. It echoes classic slasher, but also something that would happen now since dinosaurs are loose on the mainland. If anything I know a lot of people were disappointed that JWFK didn't take a more horror inspired approach with the Indoraptor. That was one of the constructive complaints I saw a few people say considering Bayona's directing choices previously in consideration to what we got.

With the recent success of R rated superhero films like Logan and Deadpool, and with Dr Strange apparently being a horror film as well, I don't think the reluctance to dabble in horror would be quite as high as it once was.

I think it would also be cool to see a film documenting the setting up of a new dinosaur preserve as well. Maybe even a film where some sort of illness brought about by the process of creating dinosaurs turns into a pandemic. Something similar to Contagion, where the dinosaurs take a bit of a back seat.

Point is that, for the first time in the history of the franchise, there are tons of options now. I think it would be a crime not to explore some of them.

Oh I definitely agree with your sentiments. Personally it could even go the television series route now. Honestly i'd like some closure around Sorna and the other 5 Deaths as well too, but that could definitely be tied up in a television series as well if they go that route. I know there's a rumor about the Battle at Big Rock short being seen as a proof of concept for a Jurassic Park/World television live-action series. Heck I could see Uni throwing it on their streaming service they're trying to pull together to entice people to subscribe.

If we get an R-Rated Jurassic film, they could just remake the original, make it as close to possible as the novel & either put it as a 10 part series on HBO or Netflix.

dance2nite wrote:

If we get an R-Rated Jurassic film, they could just remake the original, make it as close to possible as the novel & either put it as a 10 part series on HBO or Netflix.

I'm definitely on board with that!

Tyrant Lizard wrote:

Personally, I'm hoping that after JW3, the franchise branches off into spinoffs, rather than any more direct sequels. With dinosaurs apparently going global, it could open up the franchise in a way that was never possible before.

I would love to see different types of films, adventure films, horror films, more kid-friendly films, thrillers, etc...all set in the same universe, but all completely different from one another. A different style, tone, group of actors, and director for each film, but with every film still being under the Jurassic World umbrella. We could see a claustrophobic horror film involving raptors, or a thriller in the same vein as something like The Grey. Maybe a film more directed towards kids, something in the style of ET. Maybe a group of kids find a baby dinosaur. I'm just spitballing, but it would be a pretty cool way of expanding the franchise imo, and it wouldn't close the door on another full sequel or something like a prequel series either.

I'd get behind this too, and would also like to see an "ice age" spin-off, along with darker/more mature Michael Crichton-esque films with a lot of science/corporate espionage and the like.

It makes sense that they wouldn't rebrand the ride and launch the first TV series if the franchise was going to wrap up in a couple years...they've probably purchased extended rights to the franchise for a longer (indefinite?) period.

Well Id imagine the theme park rights are seperate from anything film wise. Like say Disney swooped in and got the film rights, the theme park rights would probably stay with Universal.

Dead2009 wrote:

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Dead2009 wrote:

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Dead2009 wrote:

It's a movie, not real life.

Jurassic Park was unlike most other movie in that it was supposed to be smarter, more sophiticated movie. One that also used the most accurate depictions of dinosaurs. Even Spielberg himself said so.

By using the relativist arguement, which what you are clearly doing by saying "It's just a movie' you are ignoring-or simply not caring about-all those facts and thus saying that people shouldn't hold it to any standards, which in turn, also meants that you are saying that their is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those lazy, crappy "slurpasaur" movies (movies which lizards and alligators portray dinosaurs, often with fins and horns glued their bodies). That is not only false, but also a slap in the face to what made the first movie, as well as TLW, so speical and so unique compared to most others.

Again, it's a movie. Movies are designed to suspend one's belief. Nobody believes there's a giant fire breathing lizard attacking Tokyo. Nobody believes there's some supervillain that can snap his finger and half of the world's population just  disappears. Nobody believes that there's an intergalatic space war taking place on multiple planets. The same crap that plagued Fallen Kingdom's release that lead to multiple arguments on here will not happen again.

Here's the thing. The JP franchise was orginally FAR more grounded in reality the Godzilla (who's a dinosaur) or the MCU. Genetics, cloning, ethics in science, those things are what made the first JP so great.

Also, Roland Emmerich more or less used the relativist arguement when making Zilla '98. It never occered to him by the time he was making that that Godzilla had become a metaphor for not only nuclear testing, but by the time the 90's came around, a nationalistic icon for Japan that was a cross between a force of natrure and a superhero.

Maybe you don't care about just how speical Jurassic Park was and still is. But some of us fans still do. Again, you are using the relativist arguement because you simply don't care about that or you don't know any of that, and thus, you are saying there is no difference between the first 2 JP movies and those crappy slurpasaur movies or those bad dinosaur movies Asylum makes. And that is just a slap in the to JP.

No, I say that because at some point the discussion begins to turn toxic, like you're making an attempt to do so now. The discussion around Fallen Kingdom was incredibly toxic because people took the shit too seriously. It is FICTION. It is a way to escape REALITY. This level of reaction is almost on par with the people who are still flipping their shit over the Spinosaurus killing the T-Rex because one scientist decided it was possible. Movies are my way of avoiding the real world and I'm sure as hell not going to make it apart of such because I'm supposed to become emotionally invested in a story that's fake. Consider this a warning.

By the way, a T-Rex escaped in San Diego. It caused destruction and ate people. You know, a city that isn't apart of a 3rd world country.

The Jurassic Park franchise is fiction, but so are many great works of art that are still being talked about today: Hamlet, The Odyssey, Brave New World, Animal Farm, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's works like The Lost World. This even counts to movies like the original 1925 film version of The Lost World (which is STILL the best movie adaptation of the book) Citizen Kane, Psycho, Dracula, The Wolfman, THEM!, The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms, Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, Saving Private Ryan, the first 2 Terminator movies, Aliens, Star Trek 2: The Wrath Of Khan, etc.

Something that is fictional does NOT give it a right to be dumb, if not outright braindead nor does it give it an excuse to not even try. A good sci-fi movie/story has consistent logic, or at least has more then enough good to afford some flaws. The first JP sequel, The Lost World, was/is good enough to survive some flaws and plot holes. (Nobody expected an angry Papa T. rex to land in San Diego. And even then, the police where called in to at least try and fix the problem.) JW:FK is nowhere near as good to survive to survive the ending it had. (You're telling me that the National Guard didn't prepare for something like this to a degree?)

Another example is Star Trek: The original series movies from Wrath Of Khan to The Undiscovered Country and Deep Space Nine all had a far more military tone to them compared to the original series show, TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise, yet they got away with it because they themselves were great. Compare this to Discovery, which is far more violent, yet is the least watched Trek show ever, mainly because of how bad the writing is.



Not only that, but science fiction is by it's sheer existance is supposed to be smarter then most forms of fiction. Even the Showa and Heisei era Godzillas movies talked about certain themes.

The original Godzilla: Not only an anti atomic weapons movie, but also an anti-war movie as well. (Tokyo was wiped out by the B-29 firebombing airstrikes, which actually killed more people and did far more damage then the atomic bombs did.)

Godzilla vs. Monster Zero: Anti-communist themes (The Xillians were usually addressed by numbers, which was common for political prision in the Soviet Union and China)

Godzilla vs Hedorah and Godzilla vs. Gigan: Anti-pollution.

Godzilla vs. Biollante: How far must science go?

GMK: One of it's main themes was the atocites committed by Japan in WW2, which in this movie, helps keep Godzilla immortal.

Godzilla 2014: Keeps the anti-nuke message while showing us how we're to dependent on electrical power to survive (The MUTO's EMP blasts.)

When you have an author, director, or producer saying that whatever he or she is making is supposed to be smarter, which is what Spielberg did via Jurassic Park, then it is the responsibility of people to hold said creator and their creation to that standard. Otherwise, you get mediocre, if not bad, science fiction that is only liked by the lowest common denominator. And even then, that pandering to that crowd can only last for so long, as Paramount found out the hard way with Transformers via Bumblebee underperforming due to Bayformers fatigue. The fact that people make a living studying or critiquing fiction proves that saying 'science fiction isn't real, just entertainment is not a good argument at all.


If you want to look at this franchise as simply entertainment, fine by me. But that doesn't give you a right to put down/blow off others from looking at this franchise, let alone any other science fiction franchise, and demanding more from it.

Honestly the problem with "demanding more and expecting more" is that since Jurassic Park /// we actually have demanded more and have gotten it. I could understand if we were without anything, but often times you have been and continue to be intensely and overly critical and negative about what we do receive. Generally speaking with fans though with the negative crap is take the fallout after Jurassic Park: The Game with Telltale. The game play may have sucked because of it basically being an interactive movie, but the story was decent and respectable. Everybody decried it though because it was new and not what they wanted or expected though and worse yet? It tried to add to the canon. Why is there this need to constantly attack things that flesh out the universe? Things grow and change and we really need to quit acting like this. The whole "it isn't good enough" crap is nothing but toxic fandom BS right there in all honesty and I say screw people for being perpetually jaded all the time about the new stuff for the sake of it being new and different. The jaded fan or jaded movie goer is overdone, tired, and downright annoying and I can't wait for such a mindset to become finally extinct and no longer relevant and 'popular' for how awful and toxic it is to the individual and others overall mental health. I admit, I'm guilty of being perpetually jaded myself, but I took some time away and examined the reasons why to figure out it was a sense of ownership where I shouldn't have one. We are observers for the series where we can briefly interact when the powers that be choose to engage us to give them feedback. We need to stop acting like they work for us, they're working to tell stories. They're working to entertain people and not specifically and directly for us. At the same time they don't owe us anything except mutual respect and human decency between us and them.

So what have we gotten that's better? Aside from Telltale's attempt we did get two films that actually take their time to tell a story instead of going the way JP3 did. Though in all honesty it's not just in the films themselves, but in the property as well in other areas and external media. That goes from the change of license holders regarding the toys from Hasbro to Mattel (who do an amazing job) to the Evolution of Claire novel which is essentially the first of its kind in the sense of telling a novel sized story set within the film continuity. We've been getting more "in-universe" type books to compliment what we see in the films and flesh the history out while we've also been getting the viral information from the JW Tour Site, Masrani Global site, Dinosaur Protection Group site, and the Extinction Now! site as well as the social media channels. We've got online mobile games and we've gotten LEGO doing sets as well as the game tied to that. We also got Jurassic World Evolution which is turning out to be a gem in the rough and a worthy successor to JPOG. We've been given announcements of a LEGO Jurassic World cartoon series and a Netflix series for Camp Cretaceous that are on the way. We have demanded more and we have gotten it and while being constructively critical is important it becomes a problem when nothing is ever good enough constantly. The more is different sure, but that doesn't make it terrible and nor should it. So that said, I think you are mad because it didn't meet or exceed your expectations. Because if so, I'm about to break out the "Boo hoo! I'm so sorry your feelings are hurt Princess!" Bobby Singer Supernatural meme here to show you how ridiculous you're being with the pervasive and constant negativity regarding the new films and anybody actually looking positively upon them. Your expectations are merely too extreme and high and what's more? Nothing can and will satisfy it because it is clear you are enjoying your role of being the eternally jaded fan or storm cloud. I want to make one thing clear here though is that no one is attacking you for wanting more, but your idea of more is always complicated by it not being up to your expectations and this is perpetually ongoing. Why did I bold this? To emphasize the point that this is the only problem. So either you need to challenge your expectations and realize they're unreasonable here or you need to pack up shop and move on to greener pastures instead of continuing and eternally complaining day-in and day-out.

Let's break this down here a bit more since I have time to kill here. Your central complaint is that the franchise is changing and you're not a fan of that change, which hearkens back to the point of you being eternal with the whole 'noth is ever good enough!' approach. It doesn't match what Crichton envisioned given, and he was forced into writing a sequel when normally he doesn't do sequels. The fact is that the problem before with the JP through JP3 was that it was telling episodic stories instead of wide over-arching story arcs like the new trilogy is right now. This new trilogy is taking that approach with the story arcs with each film leading into the next and then eventually meeting up to the previous trilogy and tying it closer together in the next up and coming possible final film.

This is actually a good thing for us and the series. So how and why is this viewed by you as anything less? How is this not something we should look at and be excited on the possibility of while keeping one's overall expectations reasonable? There's also the thematic components that have been present in all the Jurassic movies so far with the fact human greed undoing and leading to a lot of the chaos running in the film. Given JP3 glosses over it with Billy and the eggs, but JW and JWFK both have those components that JP and TLW had and arguably can meet up to them. It's new and different sure, but where would we if we sat down and wanted the same movie again and again? If we want that then we can just pop Jurassic Park in our DVD/Bluray disc players or look it up in our streaming services while ignoring all the other films.

That's not to say I agree with 100% of the decisions here with the JW trilogy, but you know why I am not bummed out about it? New material, that's why. We finally have it and we are getting it. Given it took almost 20 years for it to happen mind you but it has and did happen. Movies do change in tone and often with the times though as culture around us changes. Some movies age well while others don't and that goes for franchises as well where Jurassic Park is definitely not immune to aging it. Things have gotten better since JP3 as Jurassic Park has and that is through the success of Jurassic World. The series has regained a sense of notoriety and popularity it hasn't had since the first and second film was released in the early and late 90s.

What's more is that the story telling, even with plot contrivances, is still pretty solid and more connected than it has ever been. Sure there's things in the writing where there's kinks, but again I point back to JP3 once more as it is a lesson of what not to do with the films and the powers that be have listened here and continue to listen about this fact. Lastly, I'm just going to get straight to the point here without any of the fluffy BS: You desperately need to stop complaining and chasing people off with your jaded fan mentality it is unhealthy for not just yourself, but others posting here and it does kill the activity on the board here. It's seriously fine to demand more and smart story telling and there's nothing wrong with it. The problem here is is that you are constantly unhappy and overly complicating your expectations so they can never be met or fully realized due to your jaded and negative opinion. Just stop it.

TyrannosaurTJ wrote:

Honestly the problem with "demanding more and expecting more" is that since Jurassic Park /// we actually have demanded more and have gotten it. I could understand if we were without anything, but often times you have been and continue to be intensely and overly critical and negative about what we do receive. Generally speaking with fans though with the negative crap is take the fallout after Jurassic Park: The Game with Telltale. The game play may have sucked because of it basically being an interactive movie, but the story was decent and respectable. Everybody decried it though because it was new and not what they wanted or expected though and worse yet? It tried to add to the canon. Why is there this need to constantly attack things that flesh out the universe? Things grow and change and we really need to quit acting like this. The whole "it isn't good enough" crap is nothing but toxic fandom BS right there in all honesty and I say screw people for being perpetually jaded all the time about the new stuff for the sake of it being new and different. The jaded fan or jaded movie goer is overdone, tired, and downright annoying and I can't wait for such a mindset to become finally extinct and no longer relevant and 'popular' for how awful and toxic it is to the individual and others overall mental health. I admit, I'm guilty of being perpetually jaded myself, but I took some time away and examined the reasons why to figure out it was a sense of ownership where I shouldn't have one. We are observers for the series where we can briefly interact when the powers that be choose to engage us to give them feedback. We need to stop acting like they work for us, they're working to tell stories. They're working to entertain people and not specifically and directly for us. At the same time they don't owe us anything except mutual respect and human decency between us and them.

So what have we gotten that's better? Aside from Telltale's attempt we did get two films that actually take their time to tell a story instead of going the way JP3 did. Though in all honesty it's not just in the films themselves, but in the property as well in other areas and external media. That goes from the change of license holders regarding the toys from Hasbro to Mattel (who do an amazing job) to the Evolution of Claire novel which is essentially the first of its kind in the sense of telling a novel sized story set within the film continuity. We've been getting more "in-universe" type books to compliment what we see in the films and flesh the history out while we've also been getting the viral information from the JW Tour Site, Masrani Global site, Dinosaur Protection Group site, and the Extinction Now! site as well as the social media channels. We've got online mobile games and we've gotten LEGO doing sets as well as the game tied to that. We also got Jurassic World Evolution which is turning out to be a gem in the rough and a worthy successor to JPOG. We've been given announcements of a LEGO Jurassic World cartoon series and a Netflix series for Camp Cretaceous that are on the way. We have demanded more and we have gotten it and while being constructively critical is important it becomes a problem when nothing is ever good enough constantly. The more is different sure, but that doesn't make it terrible and nor should it. So that said, I think you are mad because it didn't meet or exceed your expectations. Because if so, I'm about to break out the "Boo hoo! I'm so sorry your feelings are hurt Princess!" Bobby Singer Supernatural meme here to show you how ridiculous you're being with the pervasive and constant negativity regarding the new films and anybody actually looking positively upon them. Your expectations are merely too extreme and high and what's more? Nothing can and will satisfy it because it is clear you are enjoying your role of being the eternally jaded fan or storm cloud. I want to make one thing clear here though is that no one is attacking you for wanting more, but your idea of more is always complicated by it not being up to your expectations and this is perpetually ongoing. Why did I bold this? To emphasize the point that this is the only problem. So either you need to challenge your expectations and realize they're unreasonable here or you need to pack up shop and move on to greener pastures instead of continuing and eternally complaining day-in and day-out.

Let's break this down here a bit more since I have time to kill here. Your central complaint is that the franchise is changing and you're not a fan of that change, which hearkens back to the point of you being eternal with the whole 'noth is ever good enough!' approach. It doesn't match what Crichton envisioned given, and he was forced into writing a sequel when normally he doesn't do sequels. The fact is that the problem before with the JP through JP3 was that it was telling episodic stories instead of wide over-arching story arcs like the new trilogy is right now. This new trilogy is taking that approach with the story arcs with each film leading into the next and then eventually meeting up to the previous trilogy and tying it closer together in the next up and coming possible final film.

This is actually a good thing for us and the series. So how and why is this viewed by you as anything less? How is this not something we should look at and be excited on the possibility of while keeping one's overall expectations reasonable? There's also the thematic components that have been present in all the Jurassic movies so far with the fact human greed undoing and leading to a lot of the chaos running in the film. Given JP3 glosses over it with Billy and the eggs, but JW and JWFK both have those components that JP and TLW had and arguably can meet up to them. It's new and different sure, but where would we if we sat down and wanted the same movie again and again? If we want that then we can just pop Jurassic Park in our DVD/Bluray disc players or look it up in our streaming services while ignoring all the other films.

That's not to say I agree with 100% of the decisions here with the JW trilogy, but you know why I am not bummed out about it? New material, that's why. We finally have it and we are getting it. Given it took almost 20 years for it to happen mind you but it has and did happen. Movies do change in tone and often with the times though as culture around us changes. Some movies age well while others don't and that goes for franchises as well where Jurassic Park is definitely not immune to aging it. Things have gotten better since JP3 as Jurassic Park has and that is through the success of Jurassic World. The series has regained a sense of notoriety and popularity it hasn't had since the first and second film was released in the early and late 90s.

What's more is that the story telling, even with plot contrivances, is still pretty solid and more connected than it has ever been. Sure there's things in the writing where there's kinks, but again I point back to JP3 once more as it is a lesson of what not to do with the films and the powers that be have listened here and continue to listen about this fact. Lastly, I'm just going to get straight to the point here without any of the fluffy BS: You desperately need to stop complaining and chasing people off with your jaded fan mentality it is unhealthy for not just yourself, but others posting here and it does kill the activity on the board here. It's seriously fine to demand more and smart story telling and there's nothing wrong with it. The problem here is is that you are constantly unhappy and overly complicating your expectations so they can never be met or fully realized due to your jaded and negative opinion. Just stop it.

There are 2 kinds of change though. Good change and bad change.

Good change: Keeping what made/still makes the existing product, in this case, franchise, good while still adding in new things.


Bad change: Throwing what made/makes existing product good while adding in new things that don't come close to being popular as the old things were.


Case in point, Man Of Steel. That movie was supposed to be a darker, grittier take on Superman. What did we get? Pa Kent being destroyed-Saying that Clark might have been better off letting those kids on the bus drown and letting himself get absorbed by a tornado-a poorly written General Zod, and a 'Superman' whose final battle with Zod in the city led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, which is NOT what Superman does. It's no wonder whay the DCEU is behind with a poor foundation like this.

You seem to be OK with this franchise not even trying to be a smarter, more sophisticated franchise that the first 2 movies set it out to be anymore. Let alone the 2 books Crichton wrote. Here's the problem: That can only work if a franchise is new. You simply can not whilly-nilly do whatever you want with one that's firmly established. You have to work and build upon the founding blocks of it. Case in point: Godzilla. The Godzilla franchise was able to get away with turning Godzilla into a symbol of the terror of atomic weapons and war into a superhero, force of nature and, albeit inadvertently, a nationalistic icon of Japan's moral and economic revival back in the 1960's and 1970's because it was fairly new. And even then, it still managed to talk about serious themes, some of which I talked about in my last post. When the Heisei era of Godzilla movies begun, Toho had to not only make Godzilla about the terror of atomic weapons again, but also had to ensure that it would talk about serious themes while still making him a force of nature and a form of superbeing, while adding in new monsters (Biollante, giving Mothra an evil twin brother, Battra, Spaegodzilla, and Destroyah) and in some cases, a new versions of iconic monster (The Heisei versions of Mechagodzilla, Rodan, and Godzilla's son.) The result was a solid Godzilla movie series that had far more continuity then the last one did.


When Roland Emmerich made his infamous take on Godzilla, the only thing he got right was how it came about due to atomic weapons testing, but he got everything else wrong on such an epic scale, that this meant nothing. The cartoon show spinoff got the fundamentals of Godzilla FAR better then the actual movie did, even going so far as to take a shot at the movie. The Millennium series of Godzilla movies were, by and large, hit and miss, but at least they managed, even the lackluster ones, to give us some new monsters, and in the case of GMK, managed to bring back the anti-war theme of the first one. The Godzillaverse has a high chance of ending after GvK. (To be fair, if this new Godzilla movie came out in 2017 and Kong: Skull Island came out this year, we wouldn't have had this problem.) but it wasn't for the lack of being faithful yet still giving us something new. The new kaiju/monsters, known as titans, are really liked by all Godzilla fans. Because they are new. The redesigns of Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah were also well liked by Godzilla fans.



I'm not complaining about the toyline that Mattel gave us or the Lego sets. As a dinosaur toy collector, the Mattel toys are amoung the best, some being THE best, I've ever owned. But at this point, shouldn't a franchise having good toys be a standard by now? One could even argue that standard was set back in the 1990's.


You also say that the viral sites are proof of this essentially so-called 'Golden Age' of JP. But here's the thing. Does any other fanbase relay on sites so heavily to not only expand the franchise like this one does? The answer is No. The only one that comes close is the first movie of Kelvin Trek 10 years ago via Nero's background in that one viral site. It talked quite a bit about his background, but when the actual movie came out, it barely talked about it at all. (The fact that Trekkies are far more accustomed to having books as expanded canon didn't help the site much.) It's not the only franchise far more niche then this one that doesn't lean on sites as much as this one. Fans of Godzilla via the Godzilla franchise don't allow themselves to let sites take over as lore expansion vehicles nearly as much. Don't you think it's a little odd that fans of Godzilla and Star Trek-two franchises far more niche then this one-as well as fans of the MCU, the DCEU, Star Wars, Harry Potter, and up until now the X-Men movie franchise (which includes the Wolverine spinoff movies), don't want lean on sites as heavily as this one does when it comes to expanding the franchise? It's one thing if this was a fresh new franchise, but this one is 26 years old. So it doesn't have that excuse.




You accuse me of wanting more, but not complicating matters by not being satisfied with what I want, but I'm not sure if you really know what I want so I'm going to list my criteria.

1. The franchise to go back to it's roots as a smarter, more sophisticated franchise that is relativly grounded compared to most other sci-fi franchises. No more of this braindead bombastic crap like in JW:FK. At least give us movies good enough to survive considerable flaws like TLW did. I was willing to lower standards for the first JW, but that was a one-time deal. After that, my standards were raised back to this. The JP movies are supposed to be more then just popcorn movies.

2. An animated cartoon show that talks about what happened in between JP3 and JW like how Star Wars: Rebels connected the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy.

3.Ret-con the sites out of canon. If most other fanbases don't relay on sites the expand the lore so heavily, then neither should we.

4. New non-feathered dinosaurs far more up to date with the times while keeping most of the old ones as is. I was and still am more then able to put up with most of the old dinosaurs staying as is. (The exceptions being the JP3 Spinosaurus, which I still say should be ret-conned as a T. rex/Spino hybrid, which would also allow us to get proper Spinosaurs into the franchise, and the Gallimimus simply because nobody really cares if they are feathered.) But I do wish that many of the new ones were far more accurate. Yes, the Carnotaurus and the Sinoceratops was a nice start, but more were needed. This means firing old man Horner-who really should have been giving the boot after being part of THAT scene in JP3-and finding people who can bring in a compromise. The paleotological standards were set with JP and TLW. It's time to bring it back.

For the record, I'm not against adding feathered dinosaurs into the franchise per-se. I just think it's too late now simply because of how they were never properly introduced. The best way would have been gradually. Have Gallimimus been feathered in JW. Then in JW:FK, introduce new feathered dinosaurs like Microraptor, Anzu, and a theriznosaur. And then in this one, introduce more of them like a feathered Deinocheirus, Pectinodon (the current name for Troodon, since that name is no longer valid), and a genetically modified Archaeopteryx that has hawk DNA in it. But since the franchise failed to do that, it just seems pointless for add in feathered dinosaurs now, since it would come across as heavy-handed and clumsy the way the JP3 Spinosaurus was.

5. Continued making of good JP/JW toys. I really shouldn't have to write this since this is a basic standard for all franchises, but considering how many people don't really know what I want, I'm kind of forced to write it.



Now then, what's so hard about following those standards I laid out? Explain to me what's wrong about what those standards.

Rhedosaurus wrote:

You seem to be OK with this franchise not even trying to be a smarter, more sophisticated franchise that the first 2 movies set it out to be anymore. Let alone the 2 books Crichton wrote.

When Roland Emmerich made his infamous take on Godzilla, the only thing he got right was how it came about due to atomic  weapons testing, but he got everything else wrong on such an epic scale, that this meant nothing.  The cartoon show spinoff got the fundamentals of Godzilla FAR better then the actual movie did, even going so far as to take a shot at the movie.

You also say that the viral sites are proof of this essentially so-called 'Golden Age' of JP. But here's the thing. Does any other fanbase relay on sites so heavily to not only expand the franchise like this one does? The answer is No.

1. The franchise to go back to it's roots as a smarter, more sophisticated franchise that is relativly grounded compared to most other sci-fi franchises. No more of this braindead bombastic crap like in JW:FK. At least give us movies good enough to survive considerable flaws like TLW did. I was willing to lower standards for the first JW, but that was a one-time deal. After that, my standards were raised back to this. The JP movies are supposed to be more then just popcorn movies.

2. An animated cartoon show that talks about what happened in between JP3 and JW like how Star Wars: Rebels connected the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy.

3.Ret-con the sites out of canon. If most other fanbases don't relay on sites the expand the lore so heavily, then neither should we.

4. New  non-feathered dinosaurs far more up to date with the times while keeping most of the old ones as is. I was and still am more then able to put up with most of the old dinosaurs staying as is. (The exceptions being the JP3 Spinosaurus, which I still say should be ret-conned as a T. rex/Spino hybrid, which would also allow us to get proper Spinosaurs into the franchise, and the Gallimimus simply because nobody really cares if they are feathered.) But I do wish that many of the new ones were far more accurate. Yes, the Carnotaurus and the Sinoceratops was a nice start, but more were needed. This means firing old man Horner-who really should have been giving the boot after being part of THAT scene in JP3-and finding people who can bring in a compromise. The paleotological standards were set with JP and TLW. It's time to bring it back.

For the record, I'm not against adding feathered dinosaurs into the franchise per-se. I just think it's too late now simply because of how they were never properly introduced. The best way would have been gradually. Have Gallimimus been feathered in JW. Then in JW:FK, introduce new feathered dinosaurs like Microraptor, Anzu, and a theriznosaur. And then in this one, introduce more of them like a feathered Deinocheirus, Pectinodon (the current name for Troodon, since that name is no longer valid), and a genetically modified Archaeopteryx that has hawk DNA in it. But since the franchise failed to do that, it just seems pointless for add in feathered dinosaurs now, since it would come across as heavy-handed and clumsy the way the JP3 Spinosaurus was.

Maybe it's just me, but the Jurassic Park and TLW films are not as sophisticated as you make them out to be. Even the original novel turns into an all-out gorefest at the later half of the novel.

Michael Crichton didn't even attempt to do anything with the "dinosaurs on the mainland" subplot even into the TLW novel, and it ends up being unresolved/unfinished in novel canon.

The JW films are finally taking that subplot and fully realizing it.

Roland Emmerich's Godzilla movie didn't get Godzilla "wrong", because that was not his intention. He is not a fan of the Godzilla films, and wanted to do his own version of it. Toho was aware of the production process the whole time, and was more or less fine with it. Hell, they even bought the character rights, and made the film share continuity with GMK. (This is stated in the Godzilla Dictionary: New Edition). Sure jabs are taken at him, but Zilla has become part of the Toho franchise.

I don't have any issues with the viral sites, I think they are great. If there is any complaint to be had from me, it is I wish we had dossiers on all creatures InGen cloned, showing what males and females and young look like. At the very least, the unseen film canon dinosaurs have been given canon designs from JWE. (Universal approves every single dinosaur design for the game, and those are the "official" designs.) So for example, if Suchomimus appears in JW3, we can expect it to be blue with yellow spots and stripes.

Jurassic Park is a smaller franchise than any of the ones you mentioned (Even the niche ones like Godzilla), so of course it has to rely on viral sites for the time being. But we also have JPTG, and The Evolution of Claire as EU material.

You are really hung up on the JP3-JW prequel tv series. That's not where we should get a television show. Nothing significant happens other than the construction of JW and then the first ten years of the park's operation. If anything a television show about InGen on Isla Sorna from 1998-1999 would be better.

Plus we're getting Camp Cretaceous, and Battle at Big Rock may get turned into a pilot for a live-action television series.

When it comes to accurate dinosaurs and feathers, that should have started with JW. They should have made all the dinosaurs scientifically accurate (while keeping the same color schemes), and have Rexy as the old guard.

I doubt anyone would have complained.

Rhedo, the problem seems to be that when most people are interested in what change can bring, you reject it outright without being interested in what it may bring to the table.

I am going to reopen this thread so the discussion can continue. While constructive criticism is always encouraged, constant negativity about anything (whether it be about this franchise or any movie franchise in general) can turn off any potental new member from wanting to talk about what they enjoy because all they see is it being trashed. That's not fun for anyone regardless of what it's about.

Getting back on topic, I do wonder if the quote about the "entire franchise" means that there will be a greater connection to TLW and JP3 in this film. So far the JW films have mostly referred back to the first film while largely ignoring the first two sequels.

Tyrant Lizard wrote:

Getting back on topic, I do wonder if the quote about the "entire franchise" means that there will be a greater connection to TLW and JP3 in this film. So far the JW films have mostly referred back to the first film while largely ignoring the first two sequels.

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