Life Or Death: Sorna... Upcoming RPG

The Live the Legend Wiki is still live. I don't think Ty knows about it, or else it would have been gone already. Or, if he does, he's not Admin and can't remove it. Actually, I think it was Caudipteryx or JP-T-Rex that was the Admin. http://jpl-live-the-legend.wikia.com/wiki/JPL_Live_the_Legend_Wiki Everything is right where we left it. Might have to clean out some of the old encyclopedia links, but it should be ready to go.

GASP

I wonder how updated it is. I guess we should be pretty happy over this find.

Wasn't me. I may have helped with the editing of pages but the wiki was not made by me.

Here's what I have so far, tell me what y'all think!

Old species:
Brachiosaurus altithorax
Spinosaurus aegyptiacus "hammondi"
Tylosaurus proriger
Parasaurolophus walkeri
Proceratosaurus bradelyi
Velociraptor antirrhopus "nublarensis"
Velociraptor antirrhopus "sornaensis"
Triceratops horridus
Metriacanthosaurus shangyouensis
Ceratosaurus nasicornis
Gallimimus bullatus
Stegosaurus stenops "gigas"
Ankylosaurus magniventris
Dilophosaurus wetherlii "venenifer"
Pachyrhinosaurus canadensis
Tyrannosaurus rex
Herrerasaurus ischigualestensis
Baryonyx walkeri
Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis
Corythosaurus casuarius
Edmontosaurus annectenus
Carnotaurus sastrei "chameleo"
Troodon pectinodon "ingen"
Pteranodon longiceps "hippocratesi"
Pteranodon longiceps "sternbergi"
Mamenchisaurus constructus

New species:
Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
Dryosaurus altus
Zuniceratops christopheri
Tarchia kielanae
Camptosaurus dispar
Plesiosaurus dolichodeirus
Coelophysis bauri
Camarasaurus supremus
Muttaburrasaurus langdoni
Armargasaurus cazuai
Tropegnathus mesembrinus
Deinosuchus rugosus
Nanotyrannus lancensis
Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
Maiasaura peeblesorum
Allosaurus fragilis

Wow, some of those I never even heard of. What's a Tarchia?

Interesting.

I might be... pretty interested in joining again. C:
Looks good Levine, although I'd suggest replacing Nanotyrannus with an existing species. Maybe Australovenator or Megaraptor?

And a personal wish? Oviraptor? :3

CT-1138 wrote:

Wow, some of those I never even heard of. What's a Tarchia?

Holy sh*t dude you are supposed to be a "Dinosaur Fact Files Curator", shouldn't you know this?

I would agree with MissDNA. Through in Albertosaurus to replace Nano, there is already a species profile for it and everything.

Never done any roleplay, I wasn't very interested in it, maybe this is a way I can get into it. Well if I decide I wanna try it.


Oh yeah and Tarchia's an ankylosaur, guy. (You are Dinos4Ever, correct?)

CT-1138 wrote:

Wow, some of those I never even heard of. What's a Tarchia?

A Mongolian ankylosaur that lived with Tarbosaurus, Oviraptor and Velociraptor IIRC.

MissDNA wrote:

I might be... pretty interested in joining again. C:
Looks good Levine, although I'd suggest replacing Nanotyrannus with an existing species. Maybe Australovenator or Megaraptor?

And a personal wish? Oviraptor? :3

I still think Nanotyrannus is a valid genus (pls no tomatoes), but I will go ahead and switch it with Megaraptor. Spiegel, I would go with Albertosaurus but I think Megaraptor fits better mostly due to it being more interesting to look at and fits the "smaller carnivore that isnt a Raptor" niche better than Alberto I think.

Sure thing man, I was just thinking small Tyrannosauridae and I know he had a profile for Albertosaurus at one time.

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I still think Nanotyrannus is a valid genus (pls no tomatoes), but I will go ahead and switch it with Megaraptor. Spiegel, I would go with Albertosaurus but I think Megaraptor fits better mostly due to it being more interesting to look at and fits the "smaller carnivore that isnt a Raptor" niche better than Alberto I think.

Megaraptor is one of my favorites, so thank you so much if he's added! ^^

You guys think it's too crowded (or too less crowded)? Looking for suggestions here.

I don't think it's any more crowded than before. I am wondering what inspired some species to be added, however. Tarchia for example - what is there to differentiate it from Ankylosaurus? Apart from size, really.

Caudipteryx wrote:

I don't think it's any more crowded than before. I am wondering what inspired some species to be added, however. Tarchia for example - what is there to differentiate it from Ankylosaurus? Apart from size, really.

Mostly so there is some diversity to the species (one larger species and one small species for a group of dinosaurs), although now that I look it over I will likely change it to something like Sauropelta or Edmontonia.

Yeah I was wondering, because some of these species are kind of irrelevant to Jurassic Park and a few of them aren't particularly unique.

I would love if my favorite dinosaur was added (I hope it is a bit obvious what it is), but that seems unlikely.

Personally here is how I'm thinking: Live the Legend had too many creatures, and Return to New Lands had too few. I think right now it is a pretty good list, though I might suggest some things, like maybe possibly replace Tarchia with Euoplocephalus? It is relevant to the franchise and I think a bit more unique in appearance. I also like the suggestion of using Albertosaurus instead Nanotyrannus, but Megaraptor is pretty cool too.

A few others, perhaps Ouranosaurus and/or Iguanodon instead of Camptosaurus and Cearadactlyus instead of Tropeognathus, but you have expressed you want uniqueness, so maybe you want to keep those.

Oh and I just realized Segisaurus isn't there.


I better stop before I start sounding needy or picky, because I have a lot of other things I wouldn't mind seeing as well.

Carcharodontosaurus? I'm in, baby.

After hearing your suggestions, here is a revised list:

Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
Oviraptor philoceratops
Zuniceratops christopheri
Edmontonia longiceps
Ouranosaurus nigeriensis
Plesiosaurus dolichodeirus
Segisaurus halli
Camarasaurus supremus
Muttaburrasaurus langdoni
Armargasaurus cazuai
Cearadactylus atrox
Deinosuchus rugosus
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
Maiasaura peeblesorum
Allosaurus fragilis

I like the revisions so far. I don't think Segisaurus should have replaced Coelophysis, but... eh whatever it isn't a big deal I'm not meant to make the choices, and so far the list is pretty damn good.

So, completely random, hypothetical, unrelated question: if you was to include both the canonically accurate Velociraptors and Deinonychus, how would you do that. It sounds like an oxymoron, but I'm sure there is some way. So if Velociraptor is Velociraptor antirrhopus, how could we get Deinonychus, technically the same animal, to be a different animal and still be somewhat canonically accurate?

Monolophosaurus wrote:

I like the revisions so far. I don't think Segisaurus should have replaced Coelophysis, but... eh whatever it isn't a big deal I'm not meant to make the choices, and so far the list is pretty damn good.

So, completely random, hypothetical, unrelated question: if you was to include both the canonically accurate Velociraptors and Deinonychus, how would you do that. It sounds like an oxymoron, but I'm sure there is some way. So if Velociraptor is Velociraptor antirrhopus, how could we get Deinonychus, technically the same animal, to be a different animal and still be somewhat canonically accurate?

Put a subspecies name on it. Like Deinonychus antirrhopus "gregori" (for paleontologist Gregory S. Paul, who actually came up with the term "Velociraptor antirrhopus". That's just my idea.

I would like to propose Iguanodon to the list.

So I'm sitting here thinking that maybe we should do this differently. This isn't JPL and LTL died a long time ago. Its not that we cant recreate LTL, and its not that we wouldnt have fun. However, all of us LTL Veterans have sort of done it all before. Also, the newer people drawn to JPL were there for Jurassic World. Yes they might be fans of franchise but Jurassic World is what boosted that franchise.

I guess my point is this. I'm looking at same game over again. Lets change it up. We have some new species and things to interact with on Nublar. Lets talk about post Jurassic World. What about playing there? We could make up some cool plots to keep people active. Like the humans coming back and trying to recapture the dinosaurs in order to reestablish the park. Maybe find that some people never got out even though everyone thought they did.

I'm all for sticking to the canon but being this is an RPG game we can get speculative with it. What if I-Rex wasn't the only I-Rex. What if there were more raptors somewhere else? Ect ect ect.

I feel like there is just a lot of opportunity here to change things. Stick to JP and JW but for the sake of an RPG lets change it up. Lets make it new for everyone.

Blitzkrieg wrote:

So I'm sitting here thinking that maybe we should do this differently. This isn't JPL and LTL died a long time ago. Its not that we cant recreate LTL, and its not that we wouldnt have fun. However, all of us LTL Veterans have sort of done it all before. Also, the newer people drawn to JPL were there for Jurassic World. Yes they might be fans of franchise but Jurassic World is what boosted that franchise.

I guess my point is this. I'm looking at same game over again. Lets change it up. We have some new species and things to interact with on Nublar. Lets talk about post Jurassic World. What about playing there? We could make up some cool plots to keep people active. Like the humans coming back and trying to recapture the dinosaurs in order to reestablish the park. Maybe find that some people never got out even though everyone thought they did.

I'm all for sticking to the canon but being this is an RPG game we can get speculative with it. What if I-Rex wasn't the only I-Rex. What if there were more raptors somewhere else? Ect ect ect.

I feel like there is just a lot of opportunity here to change things. Stick to JP and JW but for the sake of an RPG lets change it up. Lets make it new for everyone.

I've always been intrigued by the species seen on the hologram display thingy in the innovation center in Jurassic World. Is that the species list for Jurassic World? It makes me wonder quite a lot, maybe it would be interesting to base it more on post-Jurassic World like you said rather than post-Jurassic Park.

Richard Levine wrote:

After hearing your suggestions, here is a revised list:

Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
Oviraptor philoceratops
Zuniceratops christopheri
Edmontonia longiceps
Ouranosaurus nigeriensis
Plesiosaurus dolichodeirus
Segisaurus halli
Camarasaurus supremus
Muttaburrasaurus langdoni
Armargasaurus cazuai
Cearadactylus atrox
Deinosuchus rugosus
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
Maiasaura peeblesorum
Allosaurus fragilis

That's a fairly good list IMO; the only thing I would suggest is we could replace some of those guys with an animal from JW that most closely fits its nitche that we have used yet (Apatosaurus over Camarasaurus for example [if we didn't already have it in the field guide]). I think the biggest thing about that list is the addition of more non-dinosaur species. Those tend to be more diverse that dinos in terms of characters I've noticed.

I'm all for adding in elements from JW to the RPG. I think it was a great film, and it brought a lot of interesting ideas to the table. I would urge that we don't rely too heavily on it, or at least more so than the other films.

The number one thing I'm concerned about with the RPG is just how much we add/change to it early on without understanding how many members on here would play it. If we have a really well balanced, fun game but no one outside of the veterans to play it, we have accomplished nothing. Same in the reverse. I suggest we do a site-wide poll to gauge the estimated number of players the RPG would bring in, and go from there. If we see that there would be a lot of people interested in it, than we can forward and add some more options and features. Heck, we could even give everyone to voice their opinion on what would make them more interested in it as well (ex. Yes I'd play, but only if ____ OR No I wouldn't play, only because ___).

Sinncrow wrote:

Richard Levine wrote:

After hearing your suggestions, here is a revised list:

Carcharodontosaurus saharicus
Oviraptor philoceratops
Zuniceratops christopheri
Edmontonia longiceps
Ouranosaurus nigeriensis
Plesiosaurus dolichodeirus
Segisaurus halli
Camarasaurus supremus
Muttaburrasaurus langdoni
Armargasaurus cazuai
Cearadactylus atrox
Deinosuchus rugosus
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
Psittacosaurus mongoliensis
Maiasaura peeblesorum
Allosaurus fragilis

That's a fairly good list IMO; the only thing I would suggest is we could replace some of those guys with an animal from JW that most closely fits its nitche that we have used yet (Apatosaurus over Camarasaurus for example [if we didn't already have it in the field guide]). I think the biggest thing about that list is the addition of more non-dinosaur species. Those tend to be more diverse that dinos in terms of characters I've noticed.

I'm all for adding in elements from JW to the RPG. I think it was a great film, and it brought a lot of interesting ideas to the table. I would urge that we don't rely too heavily on it, or at least more so than the other films.

The number one thing I'm concerned about with the RPG is just how much we add/change to it early on without understanding how many members on here would play it. If we have a really well balanced, fun game but no one outside of the veterans to play it, we have accomplished nothing. Same in the reverse. I suggest we do a site-wide poll to gauge the estimated number of players the RPG would bring in, and go from there. If we see that there would be a lot of people interested in it, than we can forward and add some more options and features. Heck, we could even give everyone to voice their opinion on what would make them more interested in it as well (ex. Yes I'd play, but only if ____ OR No I wouldn't play, only because ___).

I agree. A Poll would be great. Something to figure out where to take the RPG. I'd want to the most active and engaging experience for everyone. Whatever would bring the most activity is what I'd want as well. Jurassic World based or not.

Also, I agree with Sinncrow about using some of the species from Jurassic World to fill the niches.

Blitzkrieg wrote:

So I'm sitting here thinking that maybe we should do this differently. This isn't JPL and LTL died a long time ago. Its not that we cant recreate LTL, and its not that we wouldnt have fun. However, all of us LTL Veterans have sort of done it all before. Also, the newer people drawn to JPL were there for Jurassic World. Yes they might be fans of franchise but Jurassic World is what boosted that franchise.

I guess my point is this. I'm looking at same game over again. Lets change it up. We have some new species and things to interact with on Nublar. Lets talk about post Jurassic World. What about playing there? We could make up some cool plots to keep people active. Like the humans coming back and trying to recapture the dinosaurs in order to reestablish the park. Maybe find that some people never got out even though everyone thought they did.

I'm all for sticking to the canon but being this is an RPG game we can get speculative with it. What if I-Rex wasn't the only I-Rex. What if there were more raptors somewhere else? Ect ect ect.

I feel like there is just a lot of opportunity here to change things. Stick to JP and JW but for the sake of an RPG lets change it up. Lets make it new for everyone.

I like the idea. Makes it not like a straight up LTL carbon-copy/continuation and we keep ourselves up to date with the latest movie, like LTL did with JP3.
And moving around in a newly abandoned park instead of a decade old, run-down park could make for at least some interesting change, and as Spiegel said, there's always the risk of some visitor never making it off the island. And it could be possible to explore this whole hybrid dino thing.
A couple of interesting story lines could be spawned from here.

Absolutely this is a great idea. Gives a new twist to the whole thing. A fresh new flavour. I like it.

I'm confused. We should shift the post-JP3 Isla Sorna RPG to a post-JW Isla Nublar RPG?

...I kinda like that.

Thats the idea I had. However, I think it should be up to the community to decide. Sinncrow suggested a poll. I think we should vote. See what everyone wants. Do they want old school LTL or something sort of new?