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dance2nite Sorna Velociraptor
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:31 pm | |
| I wonder if Michael is in the scene with Wu in the helicopter when they come back to the Lagoon? | |
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Sickle_Claw Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:47 pm | |
| - dance2nite wrote:
- I wonder if Michael is in the scene with Wu in the helicopter when they come back to the Lagoon?
I wonder if they will just write out his character by having Wu push him into the lagoon after taking the Indominus d na from him when he's on the ladder. _______________ Read my Story Jurassic Park: Chaos Theory!
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Six-Foot Turkey Triceratops
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:51 pm | |
| - brunofernando wrote:
- Bayona tweet he was in the editing room... and then deleted it.
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BoulderFaceplant Ceratosaurus
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:10 pm | |
| I will say I'm concerned about the writing and dialogue. Jurassic World had some noticeable tonal issues. Zara's death was supposed to scare the audience, but it was shot like a comedy. Zach and Gray aren't the least bit bothered by it, either. Then you have that scene where Zach comforts Gray in the ambulance, which just feels forced as everything gets sappy all of a sudden. I hope the rumors rhat Bayona did rewrites are true. | |
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Herrerasaurus Ankylosaurus
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:36 pm | |
| - BoulderFaceplant wrote:
- I will say I'm concerned about the writing and dialogue. Jurassic World had some noticeable tonal issues. Zara's death was supposed to scare the audience, but it was shot like a comedy. Zach and Gray aren't the least bit bothered by it, either. Then you have that scene where Zach comforts Gray in the ambulance, which just feels forced as everything gets sappy all of a sudden. I hope the rumors rhat Bayona did rewrites are true.
Those problems seem to be more like directing problems than writing ones. I wouldn't worry about that kind of stuff with Bayano at the helm. Also its nice to see that papajahn guy back! Totally thought that they forgot about him. | |
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Dr. Wu Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:19 am | |
| Zara's death wasn't scary but it was shocking which was the point and Zack and Gray didn't have time to be bothered by her death as they had to run for their lives. Maybe that scene in the ambulance was a little forced but it made Zack be a more likeable character.
Yeah the writing for JW wasn't the best but it wasn't bad either in my opinion. _______________ Avatar created by InGenUity | |
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Baryonyx111 Hatchling
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:19 am | |
| I'm not worried about the directing, but you have to admit, writing is a concern.... _______________ "Why did we choose this life? Why did we become superheroes? We dedicate our lives to fighting crime for one reason: to make a billion dollars on a superhero franchise."
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Dr. Wu Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:42 am | |
| JW's writing didn't bother me so I'm not concern that much. It's not great writing by any means but I've seen way worst. Hoskins' dialogue was the definitely the weakest but I didn't hate it.
IMO the writing in movies like JW isn't the most important element. Most general audiences don't care about how great the writing is and just want to see dinosaurs eat people and fight. _______________ Avatar created by InGenUity
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Spinosaur4.4 Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:45 am | |
| - Six-Foot Turkey wrote:
- Troyal1 wrote:
- Anything new at all? Even small Twitter news? I know we are in a dry spot but still. I can't wait!!
Colin Trevorrow and Derek Conolly's Star Wars IX script is being reworked by a new writer. Hope Jurassic's script is up to par. I told you guys. I really worry about the characters, hope they are not flat. Derek is horrible with writing characters and I hope Colin improved since JW. Yeah, I always felt Colin wasn't that good with scripts. SW being rewriten just confirms that. At least Disney cares about their franchises, contrary to Universal... By the way, I'm happy that InGen bearded guy is back! Maybe that means we'll see a flashback scene with him or...WU ESCAPES AGAIN. Okay, let me dream guys. _______________ "Chaos theory is a pseudoscience you asshole" - Headcanon line from Sickle_ClawFormer JPL member, Spinosaur4.4. | |
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IllOrfanato Compsognathus
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:46 pm | |
| I think Colin is a bit unlucky.
JW writing is a result of pile of ideas gathered for more than a decade by Steven Spielberg and previous screenwriters. In the end I think the script in actual movie is better than what Jaffa and Silver did. I do however complain about lack of backstory - all of the good stuff that connect movies is scattered throughout viral websites and toy descriptions.
Since JW script is actually a brainstorm of ideas and for JW:FK Colin was given some freedom, I do think we might have some better script, however - until I see the movie I can just speculate.
About Colin being unlucky - I think it is not always very fortunate to be pulled from indie movie genre straight to blockbuster universe. And placing Colin as Episode IX director might be a great harm to him, because let's face it - even if the movie will be good, hardcore SW fans will tear him apart. I have heard, that after Book of Henry flopped in the cinemas, some people are actually willing to put Colin from directors chair in Episode IX - was Book of Henry that bad?
That being said - I hope both JW:FK and SWIX will turn to be good movies - both from artistic and financial perspectives. | |
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BarrytheOnyx Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:05 pm | |
| - IllOrfanato wrote:
- I think Colin is a bit unlucky.
JW writing is a result of pile of ideas gathered for more than a decade by Steven Spielberg and previous screenwriters. In the end I think the script in actual movie is better than what Jaffa and Silver did. I do however complain about lack of backstory - all of the good stuff that connect movies is scattered throughout viral websites and toy descriptions.
Since JW script is actually a brainstorm of ideas and for JW:FK Colin was given some freedom, I do think we might have some better script, however - until I see the movie I can just speculate.
About Colin being unlucky - I think it is not always very fortunate to be pulled from indie movie genre straight to blockbuster universe. And placing Colin as Episode IX director might be a great harm to him, because let's face it - even if the movie will be good, hardcore SW fans will tear him apart. I have heard, that after Book of Henry flopped in the cinemas, some people are actually willing to put Colin from directors chair in Episode IX - was Book of Henry that bad?
That being said - I hope both JW:FK and SWIX will turn to be good movies - both from artistic and financial perspectives. I agree with every point you raise, especially the one about the Rick Jaffa/Amanda Silver script, which based on what I have read needed a few re-writes to work properly. It's one major failing was the " Malusaurus", which suffered from having a name that was too on the nose (literally "evil lizard"), and all of its abilities were latent to the animal when it was alive in the Cretaceous. At least, with the Indominus being made as a military experiment disguised as a theme park attraction, its abilities and unstable characterization made sense. In Jaffa and Silver's draft, the main character, who would ultimately become Owen, actively supported the militarization of the raptors from the beginning of the story. Frankly that sounds more like a villain to me. And the other protagonist (later re-written as Claire) brought her two sons to the park while being on an undercover mission to get back at InGen for stealing her paleontological research and the animal's DNA. Why would she do that? Bringing her sons into a situation and against a company that would naturally put them all in danger?? But back to Colin, I do think he was probably thrust into Star Wars a bit too soon, not just soon in the context of being so quickly after Jurassic World but in the sense that he does have directing chops that could have continued to develop had he done a few more films of his own making before jumping into the Lucasfilm fold. He didn't write the script for The Book of Henry, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt because it's a vastly different film from Jurassic World and Star Wars - more of an experiment than a general audience blockbuster. The script for Fallen Kingdom needs a good mix of creative liberty and self-imposed limitations to ensure that it works as an extension of the Jurassic universe and improvement over its predecessor, and hopefully that may cause some of the vitriol to ease off. Fallen Kingdom is also partially his creation after all, even if Bayona deserves the majority share of the credit. _______________ "Life will find a way." | |
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Six-Foot Turkey Triceratops
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:03 pm | |
| - IllOrfanato wrote:
- I think Colin is a bit unlucky.
JW writing is a result of pile of ideas gathered for more than a decade by Steven Spielberg and previous screenwriters. In the end I think the script in actual movie is better than what Jaffa and Silver did. I do however complain about lack of backstory - all of the good stuff that connect movies is scattered throughout viral websites and toy descriptions.
Since JW script is actually a brainstorm of ideas and for JW:FK Colin was given some freedom, I do think we might have some better script, however - until I see the movie I can just speculate.
About Colin being unlucky - I think it is not always very fortunate to be pulled from indie movie genre straight to blockbuster universe. And placing Colin as Episode IX director might be a great harm to him, because let's face it - even if the movie will be good, hardcore SW fans will tear him apart. I have heard, that after Book of Henry flopped in the cinemas, some people are actually willing to put Colin from directors chair in Episode IX - was Book of Henry that bad?
That being said - I hope both JW:FK and SWIX will turn to be good movies - both from artistic and financial perspectives. We've never seen Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silva's script, though. | |
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Six-Foot Turkey Triceratops
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:04 pm | |
| The worst line for me was Owen - "That's her tracking implant, she clawed it out" Claire - "How would it know to do that?" Owen - "She remembered where they put it in..."
No sh*t.
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BarrytheOnyx Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:01 pm | |
| - Six-Foot Turkey wrote:
- The worst line for me was
Owen - "That's her tracking implant, she clawed it out" Claire - "How would it know to do that?" Owen - "She remembered where they put it in..."
No sh*t.
Yeah, dialogue like that is not so easy to defend, and feels like it was written just for the trailer. Though again, that is just speculation on my part. As much as I may defend the screenwriter change-over (to an extent), they could have done better with that particular exchange. Especially since we get a high quality scene like the Wu and Masrani argument a few minutes later. _______________ "Life will find a way." | |
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Six-Foot Turkey Triceratops
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:40 pm | |
| - BarrytheOnyx wrote:
- IllOrfanato wrote:
- I think Colin is a bit unlucky.
JW writing is a result of pile of ideas gathered for more than a decade by Steven Spielberg and previous screenwriters. In the end I think the script in actual movie is better than what Jaffa and Silver did. I do however complain about lack of backstory - all of the good stuff that connect movies is scattered throughout viral websites and toy descriptions.
Since JW script is actually a brainstorm of ideas and for JW:FK Colin was given some freedom, I do think we might have some better script, however - until I see the movie I can just speculate.
About Colin being unlucky - I think it is not always very fortunate to be pulled from indie movie genre straight to blockbuster universe. And placing Colin as Episode IX director might be a great harm to him, because let's face it - even if the movie will be good, hardcore SW fans will tear him apart. I have heard, that after Book of Henry flopped in the cinemas, some people are actually willing to put Colin from directors chair in Episode IX - was Book of Henry that bad?
That being said - I hope both JW:FK and SWIX will turn to be good movies - both from artistic and financial perspectives. I agree with every point you raise, especially the one about the Rick Jaffa/Amanda Silver script, which based on what I have read needed a few re-writes to work properly. It's one major failing was the "Malusaurus", which suffered from having a name that was too on the nose (literally "evil lizard"), and all of its abilities were latent to the animal when it was alive in the Cretaceous. At least, with the Indominus being made as a military experiment disguised as a theme park attraction, its abilities and unstable characterization made sense. In Jaffa and Silver's draft, the main character, who would ultimately become Owen, actively supported the militarization of the raptors from the beginning of the story. Frankly that sounds more like a villain to me. And the other protagonist (later re-written as Claire) brought her two sons to the park while being on an undercover mission to get back at InGen for stealing her paleontological research and the animal's DNA. Why would she do that? Bringing her sons into a situation and against a company that would naturally put them all in danger??
But back to Colin, I do think he was probably thrust into Star Wars a bit too soon, not just soon in the context of being so quickly after Jurassic World but in the sense that he does have directing chops that could have continued to develop had he done a few more films of his own making before jumping into the Lucasfilm fold. He didn't write the script for The Book of Henry, and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt because it's a vastly different film from Jurassic World and Star Wars - more of an experiment than a general audience blockbuster. The script for Fallen Kingdom needs a good mix of creative liberty and self-imposed limitations to ensure that it works as an extension of the Jurassic universe and improvement over its predecessor, and hopefully that may cause some of the vitriol to ease off. Fallen Kingdom is also partially his creation after all, even if Bayona deserves the majority share of the credit. Where did you find those details about the Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silva script? | |
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BarrytheOnyx Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:50 pm | |
| - Six-Foot Turkey wrote:
Where did you find those details about the Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silva script? I found them on Wikipedia, and made sure all of the details were cited, but the link below will provide more in-depth information on the formulation of the Jaffa/Silver script: Jurassic World: Development & Writing section _______________ "Life will find a way." | |
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Rhedosaurus Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:40 pm | |
| You know, all this talk makes me wonder how much better JW would have been if they got JA Bayona as the director instead of Trevorrow. Nothing against Trevorrow and JW was a good movie, but given how JW was made mainly for the sake of Universal getting the albatross of its back, it did seem a bit lacking. _______________ The undisputed dominant predator of Jurassic Mainframe.
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dance2nite Sorna Velociraptor
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:16 pm | |
| I am happy Colin did JW & Bayona will do FK as I like JW as an action-adventure film & I think we are in for a real treat with Bayona at the helm for FK, I think it will be more suspenseful & horror like than JW. | |
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Spinosaur4.4 Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:40 pm | |
| - Six-Foot Turkey wrote:
- The worst line for me was
Owen - "That's her tracking implant, she clawed it out" Claire - "How would it know to do that?" Owen - "She remembered where they put it in..."
No sh*t.
Owen and his futile lines. _______________ "Chaos theory is a pseudoscience you asshole" - Headcanon line from Sickle_ClawFormer JPL member, Spinosaur4.4. | |
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Troyal1 Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:30 pm | |
| Chris Pratt officially separated from Anna Faris https://mobile.twitter.com/prattprattpratt/status/894394098311847936 I'm not going to pretend like I know anything about their relationship but they both seem like nice people. That sucks | |
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BoulderFaceplant Ceratosaurus
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:58 pm | |
| Anna Faris said in an interview that she was suspicious that he'd cheated on her, at least with Jennifer Lawrence, if not also other women. If she was prone to that kind of suspicion, then it couldn't have helped that every big film he's been in has his character lusting after a female costar. They said they've been trying to work it out for a "long time," and there's a quote from Anna Faris somewhere revealing that his weight loss made her feel a bit of disconnect. I have a feeling this all started long before Guardians.
Let's assume everyone is innocent, and even if we learn more, try not to judge them too harshly. We don't know them, and keep in mind that even the beloved Harrison Ford apparently cheated on his wife with a moreso-beloved Carrie Fisher. | |
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CT-1138 Jurassic Mainframe News Team
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:41 am | |
| What a shame. It makes you wonder what really happened. Last interview I read with Pratt (GOTG2 themed, I believe) he sounded like he absolutely adored her. _______________ SOMETHING HAS SURVIVED | |
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Troyal1 Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:44 am | |
| - CT-1138 wrote:
- What a shame. It makes you wonder what really happened. Last interview I read with Pratt (GOTG2 themed, I believe) he sounded like he absolutely adored her.
Yep. This was in his reddit AMA(although 2 years ago). Anna and I are meant to be together. Our relationship has made me believe in divine "intervention and destiny, just as much as my crazy career and the way I fell into this life. She and I grew up 20 minutes away from each other but never met until we met in LA. We both got our start in horror spoofs. We both did an animated movie for Phil Lord and Chris Miller. We both made our careers playing guileless nitwits for laughs. We both have parents that have suffered with MS. The similarities go on and on. Anna is a great wife. Very patient and understanding. Very supportive. So kind and genuine always. And she gave me a wonderful son and family of in laws that I truly love." | |
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Sickle_Claw Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:58 am | |
| I know. This news is depressing. I set their relationship up as a thing to prove true love exists...and yeah. _______________ Read my Story Jurassic Park: Chaos Theory!
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Herrerasaurus Ankylosaurus
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:18 am | |
| Wow this actually makes me a little sad. They seemed like they had something special. I hope this doesn't affect his acting career. | |
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Trexbreakout Hatchling
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:47 am | |
| Sometimes lives go in different directions | |
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BarrytheOnyx Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:29 am | |
| Poor Chris and Anna. It really could not have happened to a nicer celebrity couple; I hope they're able to go on with their lives and with their work without more suffering than they can take. And their poor son as well! I don't want to believe that Chris committed infidelity, but I can't imagine Anna throwing him under the bus based on a lie. _______________ "Life will find a way." | |
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Rhedosaurus Veteran
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:17 am | |
| And I honestly don't believe that he'd cheat on her with J-Law, even more so considering how they're very opposite from each other in a lot of ways. _______________ The undisputed dominant predator of Jurassic Mainframe.
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BoulderFaceplant Ceratosaurus
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:17 pm | |
| Maybe... WITH BDH?!?! Right guys?!? I'm being sarcastic, just getting that in before someone speculates it seriously. | |
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| Subject: Re: General Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom News Thread V.3 Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:25 pm | |
| _______________ The undisputed dominant predator of Jurassic Mainframe.
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