The Star Wars thread

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

evolution_rex wrote:

Nah, I was absolutely fine with Rian Johnson because from what I'd seen of him, which so far is only Brick, Looper, and some Breaking Bad episodes, I could see that the guy had a lot of talent. Those movies weren't just good, they were absolutely stellar. Trevorrow? He made a decent comedy movie, and  and then a very uneven, ugly looking, way too tonally bad Jurassic Park movie that while I don't absolutely hate is not very good in my opinion. Even for many who liked the film, they recognize it's pretty flawed. Then Book of Henry came out, and the reviews aren't good. It is not about maturity, it's about seeing what that person has made and whether or not they like what they've made.

I personally wouldn't overhype Looper like that. It wasn't that great. Also, as I listed above, plenty of inexperienced directors have made great films. But I'd find it hysterical if Rian Johnson makes a massive dud after all the confidence people seem to put in him. From what I've heard from rumours and photos, The Last Jedi (To me at least) looks and sounds as bad as The Force Awakens. Perhaps more original, but bad.

Yeah I don't really have faith in these movies being special at all without Lucas being involved with some of the ideas. If this movie is an empire strikes back I'm loosing all hope.

Troyal1 wrote:

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

evolution_rex wrote:

Nah, I was absolutely fine with Rian Johnson because from what I'd seen of him, which so far is only Brick, Looper, and some Breaking Bad episodes, I could see that the guy had a lot of talent. Those movies weren't just good, they were absolutely stellar. Trevorrow? He made a decent comedy movie, and  and then a very uneven, ugly looking, way too tonally bad Jurassic Park movie that while I don't absolutely hate is not very good in my opinion. Even for many who liked the film, they recognize it's pretty flawed. Then Book of Henry came out, and the reviews aren't good. It is not about maturity, it's about seeing what that person has made and whether or not they like what they've made.

I personally wouldn't overhype Looper like that. It wasn't that great. Also, as I listed above, plenty of inexperienced directors have made great films. But I'd find it hysterical if Rian Johnson makes a massive dud after all the confidence people seem to put in him. From what I've heard from rumours and photos, The Last Jedi (To me at least) looks and sounds as bad as The Force Awakens. Perhaps more original, but bad.

Yeah I don't really have faith in these movies being special at all without Lucas being involved with some of the ideas. If this movie is an empire strikes back I'm loosing all hope.

I just can't get invested since I find all the characters annoying. Rogue One was okay, but Force Awakens seems to get worse every time I watch it. I never feel the need to watch The Force Awakens again.

New Details on Why Trevorrow was Fired

I do know he was VERY adamant with Universal that he have a budget that allowed for animatronics. Unfortunately Universal only granted him enough for one, but I can see how that kind of demands might not fly with Kathleen Kennedy.

CT-1138 wrote:

New Details on Why Trevorrow was Fired

I do know he was VERY adamant with Universal that he have a budget that allowed for animatronics. Unfortunately Universal only granted him enough for one, but I can see how that kind of demands might not fly with Kathleen Kennedy.

I bet this article is exaggerated. It's as if directors should go into a movie with no confidence in themselves.

CT-1138 wrote:

New Details on Why Trevorrow was Fired

I do know he was VERY adamant with Universal that he have a budget that allowed for animatronics. Unfortunately Universal only granted him enough for one, but I can see how that kind of demands might not fly with Kathleen Kennedy.

Here's the original source.

I find the last 2 parts interesting.

Quote wrote:

Still, the decision to bounce him from the project ultimately fell to Kennedy, who, five years into her Lucasfilm tenure, is showing less and less compunction about firing or replacing directors she feels are temperamentally or creatively unsuited to the job, having also overseen the resignation of Fantastic Four director Josh Trank from another stand-alone Star Wars film in 2015.


“There’s one gatekeeper when it comes to Star Wars and it’s Kathleen Kennedy,” says a veteran movie producer, who has worked with the studio chief. “If you rub Kathleen Kennedy the wrong way — in any way — you’re out. You’re done. A lot of these young, new directors want to come in and say, ‘I want to do this. I want to do that.’ A lot of these guys — Lord and Miller, Colin Trevorrow — got very rich, very fast and believed a lot of their own hype. And they don’t want to play by the rules. They want to do sh*t differently. And Kathleen Kennedy isn’t going to f*ck around with that.”

She was too hands off when making JP3 via letting that movie get made without a proper script all set up but with Star Wars, she's too hands on?! How did THAT 180 turn happen?!

Rhedosaurus wrote:

CT-1138 wrote:

New Details on Why Trevorrow was Fired

I do know he was VERY adamant with Universal that he have a budget that allowed for animatronics. Unfortunately Universal only granted him enough for one, but I can see how that kind of demands might not fly with Kathleen Kennedy.

Here's the original source.

I find the last 2 parts interesting.

Quote wrote:

Still, the decision to bounce him from the project ultimately fell to Kennedy, who, five years into her Lucasfilm tenure, is showing less and less compunction about firing or replacing directors she feels are temperamentally or creatively unsuited to the job, having also overseen the resignation of Fantastic Four director Josh Trank from another stand-alone Star Wars film in 2015.


“There’s one gatekeeper when it comes to Star Wars and it’s Kathleen Kennedy,” says a veteran movie producer, who has worked with the studio chief. “If you rub Kathleen Kennedy the wrong way — in any way — you’re out. You’re done. A lot of these young, new directors want to come in and say, ‘I want to do this. I want to do that.’ A lot of these guys — Lord and Miller, Colin Trevorrow — got very rich, very fast and believed a lot of their own hype. And they don’t want to play by the rules. They want to do sh*t differently. And Kathleen Kennedy isn’t going to f*ck around with that.”

She was too hands off when making JP3 via letting that movie get made without a proper script all set up but with Star Wars, she's too hands on?! How did THAT 180 turn happen?!

Yeah, that's true

Found a picture of Kathleen Kennedy firing Trevorrow:

CT-1138 wrote:

Found a picture of Kathleen Kennedy firing Trevorrow:

If this chaos continues, will be that of Bob Iger saying that to KK. That Vulture article really made her look bad.

Rhedosaurus wrote:

CT-1138 wrote:

Snokes new Mega-Class Star Destroyer is effing HUGE!

Well, at least it's a new design. I can't help but wonder if it will have a miniaturized version/s of the Death Cannon that was used by the Death Star. I mean, something that big has to have a lot of firepower for taking out enemy capital ships.

there's even some precedent for that in the old EU--one story had some warlord acquire the plans for the Death Star and he used it to build a working array, but it broke down due to shoddy construction before he could do any damage with it

Fans constantly complain about the Starkiller Base being another Death Star, but like to conveniently ignore that there were like 15 different Death Star like super weapons that used the laser of death technology in the old EU.

I'm sorry but after reading the article on ign as well it seems almost like a smear against Colin and that Kathleen is like some sweet little angel who's ideas are perfect (lmao). I used to like her but not so sure I like her anymore.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/09/star-wars-episode-ix-new-report-details-reason-behind-colin-trevorrows-departure

I feel like as long as Disney is not really open to new ideas SW won't ever be truly special again.

I actually agree Colin was a poor choice. But that's the thing. Just like the Han Solo guys he was hired as the damn director! So of course he's going to want to be a director and do some things his own way. That's what artistic vision is all about.

Now obviously I was never behind the scenes. Maybe Colin and the Han Solo guys are huge jerks and had no wiggle room. But IMO Disney has a huge problem in the management of SW.

Bit of a rant but it's how I feel.

Troyal1 wrote:

I'm sorry but after reading the article on ign as well it seems almost like a smear against Colin and that Kathleen is like some sweet little angel who's ideas are perfect (lmao). I used to like her but not so sure I like her anymore.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/09/star-wars-episode-ix-new-report-details-reason-behind-colin-trevorrows-departure

I feel like as long as Disney is not really open to new ideas SW won't ever be truly special again.

I actually agree Colin was a poor choice. But that's the thing. Just like the Han Solo guys he was hired as the damn director! So of course he's going to want to be a director and do some things his own way. That's what artistic vision is all about.

Now obviously I was never behind the scenes. Maybe Colin and the Han Solo guys are huge jerks and had no wiggle room. But IMO Disney has a huge problem in the management of SW.

Bit of a rant but it's how I feel.

Well-said. Seems suspicious to me that these insiders have made all three directors out to be the bad guys.

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

Troyal1 wrote:

I'm sorry but after reading the article on ign as well it seems almost like a smear against Colin and that Kathleen is like some sweet little angel who's ideas are perfect (lmao). I used to like her but not so sure I like her anymore.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/09/star-wars-episode-ix-new-report-details-reason-behind-colin-trevorrows-departure

I feel like as long as Disney is not really open to new ideas SW won't ever be truly special again.

I actually agree Colin was a poor choice. But that's the thing. Just like the Han Solo guys he was hired as the damn director! So of course he's going to want to be a director and do some things his own way. That's what artistic vision is all about.

Now obviously I was never behind the scenes. Maybe Colin and the Han Solo guys are huge jerks and had no wiggle room. But IMO Disney has a huge problem in the management of SW.

Bit of a rant but it's how I feel.

Well-said. Seems suspicious to me that these insiders have made all three directors out to be the bad guys.

I find it a little odd that Spielberg hasn't publicly defended Trevorrow yet. Maybe it's because he knows that making him the director for JW resulted in this mess via rushing his career.

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

Troyal1 wrote:

I'm sorry but after reading the article on ign as well it seems almost like a smear against Colin and that Kathleen is like some sweet little angel who's ideas are perfect (lmao). I used to like her but not so sure I like her anymore.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/09/star-wars-episode-ix-new-report-details-reason-behind-colin-trevorrows-departure

I feel like as long as Disney is not really open to new ideas SW won't ever be truly special again.

I actually agree Colin was a poor choice. But that's the thing. Just like the Han Solo guys he was hired as the damn director! So of course he's going to want to be a director and do some things his own way. That's what artistic vision is all about.

Now obviously I was never behind the scenes. Maybe Colin and the Han Solo guys are huge jerks and had no wiggle room. But IMO Disney has a huge problem in the management of SW.

Bit of a rant but it's how I feel.

Well-said. Seems suspicious to me that these insiders have made all three directors out to be the bad guys.

I find it a little odd that Spielberg hasn't publicly defended Trevorrow yet. Maybe it's because he knows that making him the director for JW resulted in this mess via rushing his career.

I wouldn't say it's his fault. Just the fault of all the toxic fanboys. I've not really seen Spielberg mentioned for Jurassic recently either. Is he even involved anymore?

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

Rhedosaurus wrote:

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

Troyal1 wrote:

I'm sorry but after reading the article on ign as well it seems almost like a smear against Colin and that Kathleen is like some sweet little angel who's ideas are perfect (lmao). I used to like her but not so sure I like her anymore.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/09/star-wars-episode-ix-new-report-details-reason-behind-colin-trevorrows-departure

I feel like as long as Disney is not really open to new ideas SW won't ever be truly special again.

I actually agree Colin was a poor choice. But that's the thing. Just like the Han Solo guys he was hired as the damn director! So of course he's going to want to be a director and do some things his own way. That's what artistic vision is all about.

Now obviously I was never behind the scenes. Maybe Colin and the Han Solo guys are huge jerks and had no wiggle room. But IMO Disney has a huge problem in the management of SW.

Bit of a rant but it's how I feel.

Well-said. Seems suspicious to me that these insiders have made all three directors out to be the bad guys.

I find it a little odd that Spielberg hasn't publicly defended Trevorrow yet. Maybe it's because he knows that making him the director for JW resulted in this mess via rushing his career.

I wouldn't say it's his fault. Just the fault of all the toxic fanboys. I've not really seen Spielberg mentioned for Jurassic recently either. Is he even involved anymore?

I think he's still the Executive Producer, but given how J.A. Bayona is far more experienced then Trevorrow, he'll be the kind of EP like he usually is where he just sits around and does nothing.

It looks like Rian Johnson won't direct Star Wars: Episode 9.

I wonder what's the hold-up. Either Disney is really making sure that they get this pick right or people now know about how hard Katherine Kennedy is at LucasArts.

From what I've been reading online, J.J. Abrams is coming back to write and direct Star Wars Episode 9.

I don't think he's a bad director, but I'm hoping that he adds more originality this time.

So Disney chose someone they could control. Predictable.

Wow. I am supremely disappointed in this. Abrams is competent but I don't think he should come back.

Why can't we have someone new?

Ugh I might have literally just lost all excitement for the future.

I'll say this much about Abrams; he's good at posing the audience questions with his "mystery box" method of directing and storytelling, but his final results on delivering on "the box" is mixed at best. I don't think The Last Jedi will be a remake of The Empire Strikes Back, but I don't trust Abrams to not remake Return of the Jedi on impulse.

I'm am also very worried about how he'll handle Rey. I know people are tired of the Mary Sue complaining but some of that could be from the way he directed her. Which I did not care for.

And I swear if there's another Death Star. Please Disney you better not have one of those in the story.

I think Disney had plenty of other "safe picks" that would be better than this decision.

Rhedosaurus wrote:

From what I've been reading online, J.J. Abrams is coming back to write and direct Star Wars Episode 9.

More or less my reaction to that news:

Spoiler:

K_Ozz92 wrote:

Rhedosaurus wrote:

From what I've been reading online, J.J. Abrams is coming back to write and direct Star Wars Episode 9.

More or less my reaction to that news:

Spoiler:

Me too

I find JJ Abrams to be only a decent director, not a great one. He works best at starting ideas instead of finishing them. Seems that's going to be the new SW, though. Rebels is going go leave about 5 plots unfinished too. Also, Blegh, the BVS writer is doing IX, too Great. Now the resolution is gonna be that Luke's and Snoke's mother is both named Padme and Kylo Ren has kidnapped Snokes mom.

CT-1138 wrote:

I find JJ Abrams to be only a decent director, not a great one. He works best at starting ideas instead of finishing them. Seems that's going to be the new SW, though. Rebels is going go leave about 5 plots unfinished too. Also, Blegh, the BVS writer is doing IX, too Great. Now the resolution is gonna be that Luke's and Snoke's mother is both named Padme and Kylo Ren has kidnapped Snokes mom.

He also wrote a little known Best Picture winner called Argo. Its not like these kinds of writers have one-track minds and only do the same thing over and over and over again.

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/907688226831216640

STAR WARS: EPISODE IX to move from May 24, 2019 to December 20, 2019.

I wonder with this news whether Uni will do the same & bring back Colin to direct the last Jurassic or keep Bayona or get someone new?

dance2nite wrote:

I wonder with this news whether Uni will do the same & bring back Colin to direct the last Jurassic or keep Bayona or get someone new?

I was thinking the same. Colin is what JJ is to the new Star Wars. Is it just me or was The Force Awakens not very re-watchable? Can't sit through it, get too bored. None of the characters are interesting apart from Kylo Ren. I'm not really excited about Episode IX being directed by JJ TBH.

Six-Foot Turkey wrote:

dance2nite wrote:

I wonder with this news whether Uni will do the same & bring back Colin to direct the last Jurassic or keep Bayona or get someone new?

I was thinking the same. Colin is what JJ is to the new Star Wars. Is it just me or was The Force Awakens not very re-watchable? Can't sit through it, get too bored. None of the characters are interesting apart from Kylo Ren. I'm not really excited about Episode IX being directed by JJ TBH.

Thought it was 10/10 the first time. About an 8/10 the second time. And it's just continuing to drop for me so I stopped. I was on such a nostalgia trip in theaters that looking back I wondered if someone slipped something in my drink lol. But that's worn off.

And I really don't want Colin back for JW3. Please, let's stick to different people doing them. Bayona is about as unconventional as we're getting and inarguably the most unexpected person to be chosen to direct JP imo. Even if the film is bad it's going to be interesting to see his vision.

BarrytheOnyx wrote:

CT-1138 wrote:

I find JJ Abrams to be only a decent director, not a great one. He works best at starting ideas instead of finishing them. Seems that's going to be the new SW, though. Rebels is going go leave about 5 plots unfinished too. Also, Blegh, the BVS writer is doing IX, too Great. Now the resolution is gonna be that Luke's and Snoke's mother is both named Padme and Kylo Ren has kidnapped Snokes mom.

He also wrote a little known Best Picture winner called Argo. Its not like these kinds of writers have one-track minds and only do the same thing over and over and over again.

A lot writers are one hit wonders. Not everybody can be Stephen King putting out countless hits. I've seen Argo. Honestly it bored me to tears, and my Dad LIVED through the Iranian Hostage Situation. He was on the Nimitz as an air traffic controller, and lost friends who took part in the failed Operation Eagle Claw. In hindsight I've found the movie forgettable, and had it not been had the backing of so many other talents it wouldn't have won so much as best makeup. Then again, I've never put much stock in the Oscars. I've long found their choices in movies to be determined moreso by cliquish arthouse snobbery than through legitimate quality.